<html><head></head><body>In the same way, there is a tradition of "boiled cookies" in the USA, that are on the borderline between cookies (biscuits, in British terminology) and candy. They involve a sticky, sweetened grain, most commonly oatmeal (rolled oats). Here is an example:<br>
<<a href="http://dessert.food.com/recipe/no-bake-chocolate-oatmeal-cookies-23821>">http://dessert.food.com/recipe/no-bake-chocolate-oatmeal-cookies-23821></a><br>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On May 11, 2015 10:47:43 AM CDT, Satoshi IIDA <nyampire@gmail.com> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<div dir="ltr"><div><div><br /></div>There are Japanese "non-baked" confectioneries.<br />(I believe similar confectioneries in other countries. esp. in Asia)<br /></div><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagashi">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagashi</a><br /><div><br /></div><div>If we take only a) plan, I'm afraid of we could not represent cultural variations.<br /></div><div><br /></div><div>+1 to Janko's a+b),<br />and to express the specialty, moltonel's "confectionery:FOO=yes confectionery:BAR=yes".<br /></div><div><br /><br /></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br /><div class="gmail_quote">2015-05-12 0:24 GMT+09:00 Janko Mihelić <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:janjko@gmail.com" target="_blank">janjko@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr">I would be more in favor of a+b) because you might want to tag a place with shop=pastry
because 95% of their assortiment is pastry, but they have 5% candy so you add candy=yes. </p><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
</font><p dir="ltr"><font color="#888888">Janko</font></p></span><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">
<br /><div class="gmail_quote">pon, 11. svi 2015. 17:12 Brad Neuhauser <<a href="mailto:brad.neuhauser@gmail.com" target="_blank">brad.neuhauser@gmail.com</a>> je napisao:<br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">In my experience, most places that sell pastries would be better tagged as bakery. Even if they only sell pastries (ie no bread), they do have to bake them, right? :) <br /></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br /><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 5:43 AM, moltonel 3x Combo <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:moltonel@gmail.com" target="_blank">moltonel@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div>On 11/05/2015, Martin Koppenhoefer <<a href="mailto:dieterdreist@gmail.com" target="_blank">dieterdreist@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br />
> I believe there is some overlap between the shop values<br />
><br />
> confectionery<br />
> pastry<br />
> candy<br />
> sweets<br />
><br />
> shop=confectionery is used much more often than the other 3 (10K vs. 300<br />
> vs. 100 vs. 50) and is likely covering all of these, but is quite generic.<br />
> For the very reason it can be used for both: pastry (baker's confections)<br />
> and candy (sugar confections), it is often less useful IMHO (at least<br />
> without subtag, which is currently not documented). "often", because in<br />
> some countries these tend to be distinct shops, but in other contexts there<br />
> might be shops that are offering both kind.<br />
><br />
> If you are looking for sugar confections or baker's confections, finding a<br />
> shop that only sells the other variant of confections will not be helpful<br />
> but rather a big annoyance.<br />
><br />
> From previous discussions on this matter I believe to remember that<br />
> "pastry" is actually not covering the entire subset of baker's confections,<br />
> so the term might be less appropriate.<br />
><br />
> "sweets" is not very specific neither, is not defined in the wiki and can<br />
> maybe cover both, candy and pastry, or might be a synonym for candy/sugar<br />
> confections (I am not sure about this, would be nice to hear what the<br />
> natives say). It also doesn't seem to add any additional information with<br />
> respect to confectionery, so I would suggest to deprecate its use<br />
> completely.<br />
><br />
> I think we could deal with this situation in several ways:<br />
><br />
> a) use confectionery, pastry and candy as competing top-level tags and<br />
> suggest to be the most specific where possible (i.e. aim to have only mixed<br />
> shops tagged with the generic confectionery tag and recommend the more<br />
> specific pastry and candy tags where applicable).<br />
><br />
> b) recommend to only use confectionery as the main top level tag and use<br />
> subtags like bakers_confectionery=yes and/or sugar_confectionery=yes to<br />
> make the distinction<br />
><br />
> c) your suggestion here<br />
><br />
> Personally I favor b). What do you think?<br />
<br />
</div></div>My initial reaction was "there's no overlap between pastry and<br />
confectionery, they are totally different things". Some cultural<br />
background: in France, shops selling candys are very rare, but shops<br />
selling pastries are very common because bread shops are everywhere<br />
and usually also sell pastries and danishes. Pastry-only shops are<br />
quite rare. See also shop=patisserie (62 uses).<br />
<br />
But using shop=confectionery and refining that into raw sug^W^Wsubtags<br />
makes sense too.<br />
<br />
For the subtag itself, I'm not a fan of FOO_confectionery=yes: I think<br />
that confectionery=FOO follows established tag-creation best practices<br />
better. It's used a bit in the db already. And if one needs to tag<br />
multiple types, either "confectionery=FOO;BAR" or<br />
"confectionery:FOO=yes confectgionery:BAR=yes" works for me (but I<br />
prefer the later).<br />
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