<div dir="ltr">New, yes, but increasingly common. One of my recent flights was on a 777 equipped with both electric (115 v American "standard") and USB outlets. While many of those chargers you speak of John, the iPhone chargers for example, plug into a wall socket the output goes to the phone via the USB socket at the rear. <div><br></div><div>@Martin, I think the two words connected with a colon is the best choice. It's already in use: socket:USB=*</div><div><br></div><div>The standard American plug has a hard-to-remember and bulky tag "socket:nema_5_15=2". It would be nice to have a simpler alternative. But then, most countries have their own scheme for naming these things and I don't see standardization coming to the world (or to OSM) anytime soon. Hell, we're still using inches and pounds over here! We probably should stick with what's already defined in the wiki.</div><div><br></div><div>Still, if I saw a charging station advertising 120v AC, I would be quite sure what that was, and also what sort of socket it would employ. The voltage tag would be an obvious clue for data consumers.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, May 23, 2015 at 2:17 PM, John F. Eldredge <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:john@jfeldredge.com" target="_blank">john@jfeldredge.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p style="margin:0 0 1em 0;color:black">Electric outlets that have a
USB-style connector, for charging cell phones and other portable devices,
are fairly new. I don't recall seeing any until about a year ago. So, there
is not yet a common name for them, to distinguish them from conventional
electric outlets that offer only 120V AC. I have seen the USB
charging kiosks in airports, but, again, am not aware of a specialized name
for them. I charge my phone using a small adapter that plugs into a regular
wall outlet or extension cord.<br>
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May 23, 2015 3:23:48 PM "pmailkeey ."
<<a href="mailto:pmailkeey@googlemail.com" target="_blank">pmailkeey@googlemail.com</a>> wrote:</p>
</div></div><blockquote type="cite" class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 0.75ex;border-left:1px solid #808080;padding-left:0.75ex"><div><div class="h5"><div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 23
May 2015 at 17:47, Dave Swarthout <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:daveswarthout@gmail.com" target="_blank">daveswarthout@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">The Wiki article clearly teaches that the
amenity=charging_station tag was designed with vehicles in mind.
</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Well if it's a VEHICLE charging
station, it should have said that. They didn't specify what changing it
was in the name - so it's surely open for all charging
stations.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">And I reckon for those of you who expressed concern about
rendering, that part of it isn't up to me, or us, and will be resolved
later. <div><br></div><div>The big question is whether to expand the use of
the tag so it includes devices other than vehicles. The article mentions
bicycles but doesn't go into detail about bicycle charging_stations
except to say "<span style="color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:17.5px;line-height:28px">There
are some different types of charging stations. E-Bikes e.g. can be charged
at an domestic wall socket." To my mind, that opens the door to
expanding the use of the
tag.</span></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Asbolutely
! </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div><div>Also the notion of socket:type=USB or
socket:USB=* (a number of sockets or "yes") seems fine. The other
keys mentioned in the Wiki entry can be used just as they are in many other
similar
situations:</div><div>fee=*</div><div>operator=*</div><div>access=*</div><div>voltage=*</div><div>opening_hours=*</div><div><br></div><div>These
stations, or in the case of the Seattle airport, entire sections of seats,
have "domestic wall sockets" offering a way to charge laptops as
well as the USB output. The tag socket:nema_5_15=* denoting is bulky to say
the least but if that's the established tag for the receptacles found
in American homes, then it might work here
too.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>What do 'standard
Americans' call their sockets ? We shouldn't be using technical
names on OSM unless that's the common name for them. Voltage is a
useful bit of data.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div><div>If we don't do it this way, clearly
another amenity tag will be needed. I hate to start down that path because
I know it will be difficult to achieve any consensus. In the meantime I
have tagged those areas with amenity=charging_station until we resolve this
question. </div><div><br></div><div>Regards</div><span><font color="#888888"><div>Dave</div></font></span></div></blockquote></div><div><br></div>--
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