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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 30/06/2015 8:52 AM, Ruben Maes
wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CAOAgN4RsnRp4QwkjBZORJTNiXyG3fdau0xk=kyd8OjXMePhpnw@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">Op maandag 29 juni 2015 heeft André Pirard <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:A.Pirard.Papou@gmail.com"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:A.Pirard.Papou@gmail.com">A.Pirard.Papou@gmail.com</a></a>>
het volgende geschreven:<br>
> On 2015-06-29 18:55, Holger Jeromin wrote :<br>
>> André Pirard wrote on 29.06.2015 17:08:<br>
>>> Ruben Maes <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ruben.maes96@gmail.com">ruben.maes96@gmail.com</a>>
Wrote in message:<br>
>>>> After the proposal Donation was rejected, I tried
to address the<br>
>>>> issues that were raised in a new proposal using<br>
>>>> healthcare=blood_donation:<br>
>>>> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Blood_donation_2">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Blood_donation_2</a><br>
>>>> You are of course welcome to point out any flaws.<br>
>>> Like I said, could you please in your proposal
*stress* that healthcare<br>
>>> is not an object but an attribute of an object.<br>
>>> There is no such thing as "a healthcare" on a map but
a building can be<br>
>>> used for healthcare.<br>
>>> Then, healthcare is an attribute of that building.<br>
>>> Out of curiosity, I've had a look at Key:healthcare<br>
>>> <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:healthcare">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:healthcare</a>>
and it's exactly<br>
>>> what it says:<br>
>>>> ... add *healthcare*=* to to an area that has
building<br>
>> Is this (5 years later) really still true? I am quite
happy with my<br>
>> (indoor tagging) node:<br>
>><br>
>> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1227761407#map=19/50.77699/6.04469">http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1227761407#map=19/50.77699/6.04469</a><br>
> What is "this"?<br>
> My remark concerns mainly areas (buildings).<br>
> But it's also interesting to know what a node represents
(what<br>
> healthcare is an attribute of).<br>
>> Is a restaurant or hotel also a attribute to an object?<br>
> Of course it is.<br>
> They are the attributes that make a building (usually)
suitable for<br>
> catering and accommodation.<br>
><br>
>>> You should give an example of for example a school
where blood_donation<br>
>>> takes place:<br>
>>><br>
>>> building=school<br>
>>> or<br>
>>> building=yes<br>
>>> school=yes<br>
>> Eeks, not a good example tag :)<br>
> If you think so, you should say why and what you propose.<br>
> Not just the usual "no".<br>
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I'll add my 'no'? <br>
building=school would be my preference over building=yes,
school=yes! <br>
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cite="mid:CAOAgN4RsnRp4QwkjBZORJTNiXyG3fdau0xk=kyd8OjXMePhpnw@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">> I think that such a page should teach the reader
how to tag healthcare<br>
> taking place in a school.<br>
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healthcare also takes place in other things.. <br>
building=hotel<br>
amenity=pub<br>
healthcare=blood_donation <br>
blood_donation:schedule=<br>
<br>
And the page ONLY refers to blood_donation .. not ALL of health care
.. <br>
If required .. instructions on how to tag health care should be on
the main health care page .. <br>
and that page says "Create a node in the center of the building or
property and tag it with <tt
style="background:#DDE;white-space:nowrap" dir="ltr"><strong
class="selflink">healthcare</strong>=*</tt> or add <tt
style="background:#DDE;white-space:nowrap" dir="ltr"><strong
class="selflink">healthcare</strong>=*</tt> to to an area that
has <tt style="background:#DDE;white-space:nowrap" dir="ltr"><a
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:building"
title="Key:building">building</a>=yes</tt>." <br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:healthcare#How_to_Map">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:healthcare#How_to_Map</a><br>
<br>
So use of healthcare on a node is present. I don't think the wording
is of how to place the node is correct, I'd rather say "Create a
node in the center of the heathcare feature and tag it with <tt
style="background:#DDE;white-space:nowrap" dir="ltr"><strong
class="selflink">healthcare</strong>=*" etc. </tt> <br>
<br>
<br>
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I have yet to see a permanent blood donation centre at a school,
but I would just place a node with the healthcare tags in the
school area and call it a day.<br>
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<br>
As had been address in the past. This proposal is for fixed
permanent features IIRC? That does need to made clear in the
proposal. And (I hope) on the eventual approved wiki page. <br>
<br>
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cite="mid:CAOAgN4RsnRp4QwkjBZORJTNiXyG3fdau0xk=kyd8OjXMePhpnw@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">Adding everything on the school boundary seems very
odd to me, I have never seen that done. For renderers, I think it
must be a nightmare. I know we're not supposed to tag for the
renderer but any data consumer would have trouble interpreting
dual-tagged objects.<br>
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The advantage of the node is that the location of that feature can
be identified within the larger area. It adds more detail to the
map, more usefull information for the map user. <br>
<br>
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cite="mid:CAOAgN4RsnRp4QwkjBZORJTNiXyG3fdau0xk=kyd8OjXMePhpnw@mail.gmail.com"
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So to me, healthcare=blood_donation is pretty stand-alone (just
like shop=*) and not an attribute of a school, a shop or even a
hospital for that matter. I'd use it on a node without any other
tags, but on a way of course with building=yes or whatever tags
are relevant. (Also see the examples on the proposal page – do you
agree with them or would you tag them differently?)<br>
<br>
I could add a piece about making sure to use a building tag to the
page, but IMO then we'd have to do that on the wiki pages for all
shops, most amenities, etc...<br>
Actually that might not be a bad idea? We could write a template
and include it on those pages. I've seen people using JOSM not
including building tags quite a few times.<br>
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