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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/07/2015 1:37 AM, André Pirard
wrote:<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2015-06-30 14:04, Marc Gemis wrote
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<div dir="ltr">Everything between quotes is considered a
comment, and can contain values in the local language (e.g
123 <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/opening_hours=%22nach%20Vereinbarung%22"
style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(8,62,118);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8000001907349px;line-height:20.7999992370605px;white-space:nowrap">"nach␣Vereinbarung"</a> --
German for by appointment)
<div>IMHO this means that there is nothing to formalize. This
also means that ..."Sa 09:00-18:00 + appointment" is a
comment and nothing has to be parsed.</div>
<div>This should be ...; Sa 09:00-18:00; "Sa also by
appointment"</div>
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<div>see also <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:opening_hours/specification">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:opening_hours/specification</a>
at the bottom.</div>
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Marc, it is not a matter now of formalising, but of documentation in
a simple easily understood form.<br>
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IMVHO, documentation improvement and some sort of formalization is
needed because:<br>
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<li>I had asked the same question here before in the same terms
("appointment") and it is asked again<br>
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<li>I had overlooked <tt
style="background:#DDE;white-space:nowrap" dir="ltr">"on
appointment"</tt> 10 times in a page that states rules in
examples "to be grasped"</li>
<li><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:opening_hours">Key:opening_hours</a>
does not contain the word "comment" and, as I read before,
mappers don't have 15 min to spend reading the full
specification down to the end<br>
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<li>comments should be explained in the syntax, including
explicitly that they're used to be displayed on user screen,
because this example doesn't seem to be the case : <em>"on
appointment"; PH off "But not on public holidays (always
closed). You don’t need to write this comment for values in
OSM. Documentation purpose only."</em>"</li>
<li>and probably add "by schedule (see Web page)" for scheduled
occurrences<br>
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<li>I've had a look at Osmand and, albeit they show
opening-hours, they will <b>not</b> show opening_hours="by
appointment". <br>
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<li>if Osmand did not understand the doc, there <b>is</b> a
problem (IMVHO)<br>
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<li>I first wanted to improve my "simplified syntax" with this,
but as I was scolded for writing it and as as it got erased, I
will let you do that.<br>
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Cheers <br>
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Thanks André. <br>
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The secondary syntax page is written in computerees ...
understandable by those practised in that language. For the general
public it is not understandable. <br>
I'll be making some entry to the wiki that makes a simple clear
statement of how to add "by appointment" to the opening hours ...
and will resist any deletion of such. In fact I'll add the reasons
for that to the discussion page and the syntax pages' discussion
page in order to dissuade deletion of the added text. <br>
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