<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jul 12, 2015, at 10:34 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer <<a href="mailto:dieterdreist@gmail.com" class="">dieterdreist@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">agricultural traffic</span></div></blockquote></div><br class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The farmers access their fields using small, yet common kei trucks (<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kei_truck" class="">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kei_truck</a>) that are used all over Japan in urban and rural environs. There are very few slow moving tractors, as they come out only during field prep and harvest time for the rice. (twice a year?)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">These roads are not just for agricultural vehicle traffic - but they are not important through ways except for very local access or for maintenance access for an aqueduct, train viaduct, or other public works that needs access for maintenance (again they’re public accessible and public routable, but not useful). </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If we know that this occurs in rich countries ( well maintained yet unimportant side roads) why is adding a value to service=* a problem? we use service= for so many other things, and it seems the most appropriate here. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">if a country has this separation (IMO) between unclassified/residential, service, and track - why would we map it in the city but not in the countryside? Why does it matter if it’s Ag traffic? These aren’t tractor roads. Those branch off these roads. most of the time it’s road-only cars. Does the fact that granny farms tomatoes on that road and granny cuts hair on the other road really the difference between track and alley? neither road fits the "purpose" of track, yet one is deemed to be tagged with it. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I know the reply is “then move it to unclassified” - but that muddies the meaning of unclassified. Can’t we use the same “city" scheme in the countryside when it also applies?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">IMO, it applies here. The Japanese road network is as complex as a city network even in rural areas. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">service=[rural or similar] seems to be the best way to *further define and document* the existing usage usage of highway=service on these roads by some mappers.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thanks for your comments, I hope I have clarified my position further.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Javbw</div><div class=""><br class=""></div></body></html>