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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 24/07/2015 11:42 PM, Hubert wrote:<br>
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lang="EN-US">Well, there a ways that are “designated” for
specific road users but are not marked explicitly and must
be recognized through their design.</span></p>
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<p>I would put that as </p>
<p>There are ways that are intended for a specific road use... </p>
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lang="EN-US">For example sidewalks. They are designated for
pedestrians and could tag – ignoring the tag it as a sub key
discussion – as highway=footway (implying foot=designated).</span></p>
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lang="EN-US">Same for cycle ways, at least in Germany as you
might know (Pictures 1 and 2). <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US">So requiring a way to be marked is too strong
for that definition.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p>True. access=designated is not what you want. </p>
<p>What is wrong with using the tag bicycle=yes ? Bicycles are
'permitted' .. but not necessarily marked by/on the roadway. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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lang="EN-US">Picture 1 : <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:RadwegOhneBenutzungspflicht.jpg">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:RadwegOhneBenutzungspflicht.jpg</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
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lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
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lang="EN-US"> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:jonathan@bigfatfrog67.me">jonathan@bigfatfrog67.me</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:jonathan@bigfatfrog67.me">mailto:jonathan@bigfatfrog67.me</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Freitag, 24. Juli 2015 15:05<br>
<b>To:</b> Tag discussion, strategy and related tools<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tagging] access=designated wiki<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#375623">I
agree with Volker. To me designated meant “what it is
says on the roadside signage”. Usually seen where
there are unique or special circumstances restricting
access.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://bigfatfrog67.me">http://bigfatfrog67.me</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
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style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";letter-spacing:.25pt"> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:61sundowner@gmail.com"
target="_parent">Warin</a><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, 24 July 2015 13:50<br>
<b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:tagging@openstreetmap.org"
target="_parent">Tag discussion, strategy and
related tools</a></span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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24/07/2015 9:30 PM, Hubert wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="EN-US">Hallo,</span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="EN-US">during a discussion within the german
forum [1], I have been pointed to the description
box of the “access=designated” wikipage [2].</span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="EN-US">It reads “A way marked for a particular
use.”.</span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="EN-US">I would like to change it to “A way
designated for a particular use” or “A way intended
for a particular use.”. Probably the latter one.</span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="EN-US">The reason is, that the word “marked”
implies that a way is ,well, marked with a traffic
sign or by road paintings, which is not necessarily
true. </span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="EN-US">Also the topic ”general use case” is
not that strictly formulated as the “description”
box and allows the use of “designated” in a much
wider range of cases.</span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="EN-US">Are there any objections against me
change that word?</span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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For me, Yes. <br>
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<p>Meaning I object. </p>
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If it is not marked .. than how do you (or anyone)
know that it is 'designated'? <br>
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Ummm 'marked' could mean it is 'marked' on some plan
or other rather than 'marked' by a traffic sign or by
road painting ... but I'd think if it is not marked
locally then the 'designation' will be ineffective. <br>
OSM is supposed to reflect what is 'on the ground' so
marked is appropriate. Particularly by a traffic sign
or by road painting.<br>
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Happy to be persuaded otherwise... <br>
Could you provide a link to the German discussion?
That may help. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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