<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, Sans-Serif;font-size:14px"><div><span></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1442305049203_2849">Hi John,</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1442305049203_2807"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1442305049203_2797">This is pretty much the type of situation which the taxon tag is meant to cope with: current tagging says it's an apple orchard, with taxon we can show that it's one for Bramley's or the cider apples loved by RichardF.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1442305049203_2820"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1442305049203_2834" dir="ltr"> "taxon=<a title="Apple" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1442305049203_2822" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple"><em id="yui_3_16_0_1_1442305049203_2823"><font id="yui_3_16_0_1_1442305049203_2824" color="#0066cc">Malus domestica</font></em></a> 'Bramley's Seedling'"</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1442305049203_2872" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1442305049203_2873" dir="ltr">This can be used with species & genus too; but most useful is the usage widely used by the Vienna tree import:</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1442305049203_2874" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1442305049203_2894" dir="ltr"> "taxon:cultivar=Bramley's Seedling" </div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1442305049203_2895" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1442305049203_2897" dir="ltr">(in this case the single quotes obligatory in the formal name are not needed because all cultivar names require them. This can be used standalone, on the basis that trees=apple_trees is a synonym of species|taxon=Malus domestica.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1442305049203_2898" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1442305049203_2918" dir="ltr">Your next problem is to identify the cultivars: not easy with cherries in Japan.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1442305049203_2919" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1442305049203_2920" dir="ltr">Jerry<br> </div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1442305049203_2758" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, Sans-Serif; font-size: 14px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1442305049203_2757" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, Sans-Serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1442305049203_2756" dir="ltr"> <hr size="1" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1442305049203_2787"> <font id="yui_3_16_0_1_1442305049203_2921" face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> johnw <johnw@mac.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> strategy and related tools Tag discussion <tagging@openstreetmap.org> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, 15 September 2015, 0:52<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> [Tagging] Orchards and their crops<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container"><br><div id="yiv8389123951"><div>I came across some mis-tagged orchards in Japan, and in the process of researching how to tag them correctly, I noticed some discrepancies in the EN and JA wiki pages for orchards, trees, and related things. the JA page for orchard includes the trees= definitions, for example. <div class="yiv8389123951"><br class="yiv8389123951"></div><div class="yiv8389123951"><a class="yiv8389123951" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse=orchard" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dorchard</a> English</div><div class="yiv8389123951"><a class="yiv8389123951" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JA:Tag:landuse=orchard" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JA:Tag:landuse%3Dorchard</a> Japanese<br class="yiv8389123951"><div class="yiv8389123951"><br class="yiv8389123951"></div><div class="yiv8389123951">My question to the group is how to deal with trees=* when it seems to be very generic (apple tree, pear tree, etc) and more specific kinds of crops (fuji apples, asian pears). </div><div class="yiv8389123951"><br class="yiv8389123951"></div><div class="yiv8389123951">crop=* for orchard was changed to trees=* - but how do we get more specific on what kind of fruit is grown? do we make a ton of different tree=* tags, or do we make generics and then specify the exact fruit produced through produce=* or some other tag? </div><div class="yiv8389123951"><br class="yiv8389123951"></div><div class="yiv8389123951">Also, someone has added a ton of trees to the JA list (and a few to the EN list), including cranberries - which are grown in a swampy bog - hardly an orchard. Should be at least in farmland+crop, possibly some form of wetlands. I cleaned up the entries on the ja page by added “trees” to the items, and striking out sugarcane and cranberry, but I didn’t delete any other entries. I didn’t touch the EN page. </div><div class="yiv8389123951"><br class="yiv8389123951"></div><div class="yiv8389123951">I can clean up the JA page to match the EN page, but I need to know how do deal with the trees and what they produce: are the trees=* a very specific type of tree, or are they general - and how do we specify the exact type of fruit produced? apples, oranges, pears, peaches, have regional varieties - and custard apples and asian pears (sand pears) may be considered so different from their normal varieties as to warrant their own tree and rendering. </div></div><div class="yiv8389123951"><br class="yiv8389123951"></div><div class="yiv8389123951">If I’m reading the english wiki pages for orchard=, trees= and produce= correctly, keeping the trees generic and the specific fruit in produce= seems to be right way. I added one example to the JA wiki page for asian pears: </div><div class="yiv8389123951"><br class="yiv8389123951"></div><div class="yiv8389123951">landuse=orchard</div><div class="yiv8389123951">trees=pear_trees</div><div class="yiv8389123951">produce=sand_pear </div><div class="yiv8389123951"><br class="yiv8389123951"></div><div class="yiv8389123951">so fuji apples would be </div><div class="yiv8389123951"><br class="yiv8389123951"></div><div class="yiv8389123951">landuse=orchard</div><div class="yiv8389123951">trees=apple_trees</div><div class="yiv8389123951">produce=fuji_apples </div><div class="yiv8389123951"><br class="yiv8389123951"></div><div class="yiv8389123951">Is this the right way to handle it, and should it be documented this way?</div><div class="yiv8389123951"><br class="yiv8389123951"></div><div class="yiv8389123951">Javbw</div></div></div><br>_______________________________________________<br>Tagging mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Tagging@openstreetmap.org" ymailto="mailto:Tagging@openstreetmap.org">Tagging@openstreetmap.org</a><br><a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging" target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging</a><br><br><br></div> </div> </div> </div></body></html>