<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, Sans-Serif;font-size:14px"><div><span></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1442305049203_4311">Hi John,</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1442305049203_4263"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1442305049203_4555">No there is nothing I'm aware of which discriminates anywhere between cultivated pears in general (<em id="yui_3_16_0_1_1442305049203_4442">Pyrus communis</em>) & specific cultivars (<a id="ms__id3258" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conference_pear">'Conference'</a>). Cultivar just is shorthand for "cultivated variety" so of course there is no hierarchy variety=>cultivar.</div><div><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1442305049203_4669">That's just the way gardeners & horticulturalists have evolved their naming over hundreds of years. (and for Japanese cherries it's worse as they have such a complicated heritage it is not possible to accurately assign them to a species, so they are formally known just with the genus & cultivar (<em id="yui_3_16_0_1_1442305049203_4291">Prunus</em> 'Kanzan' for <a id="ms__id3107" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prunus_%27Kanzan%27">example</a>).</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1442305049203_4556"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1442305049203_4642" dir="ltr">I suspect the kind of thing you want is related to some other, non-biological, property of the said orchard trees: such as colour, use (cooking apple, cider apple, perry pear, ornament). Or you are looking for properties which are biological, but not directly related to the biological classification (e.g., flowering time). If not then I can't help, and I'd be pretty sceptical that you can achieve a tagging mechanism that is genuinely useful given that the biological/horticultural one has 250+ years of refinement.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1442305049203_4670" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1442305049203_4671" dir="ltr">Jerry<br> </div><div class="link-enhancr-attachment link-enhancr-element richcompose-card" id="enhancrCard_1" style='width: 450px; font-family: "Georgia", "Times", "Times New Roman", "serif"; margin-top: 5px; margin-bottom: 5px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);' contenteditable="false"><table class="link-enhancr-element" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1442305049203_4601" style="width: 450px; height: 170px; display: block; position: relative;" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tbody id="yui_3_16_0_1_1442305049203_4600"><tr class="link-enhancr-element"><td class="link-enhancr-element" style="height: 1px; font-size: 1px; border-collapse: collapse; background-color: rgb(229, 229, 229);" colspan="8"><div class="link-enhancr-element" style="height: 1px; line-height: 0px; font-size: 1px; background-color: rgb(229, 229, 229);"> </div></td></tr><tr class="link-enhancr-element" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1442305049203_4617"><td class="link-enhancr-element" style="width: 1px; font-size: 1pt; border-collapse: collapse; background-color: rgb(229, 229, 229);" rowspan="5"><div class="link-enhancr-element" style="width: 1px; font-size: 1pt; background-color: rgb(229, 229, 229);"> </div></td><td class="link-enhancr-element link-enhancr-image-wrap" style="width: 168px; height: 168px; vertical-align: middle; border-collapse: collapse; background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" rowspan="5"><div align="center" class="link-enhancr-element" style="width: 168px;"><a class="link-enhancr-card-urlWrapper link-enhancr-element" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0) !important; text-decoration: none !important;" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conference_pear"><img width="164" height="168" class="link-enhancr-thumbnail-image link-enhancr-element yahoo-ignore-inline-image" style="margin: auto; 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line-height: 20px; overflow: hidden; font-family: "Georgia", "Times", "Times New Roman", "serif"; font-size: 13px; max-height: 81px;'>A Conference pear is a variety of pear.</div></div></div></td></tr><tr><td class="link-enhancr-element" style="height: 4px; font-size: 0pt; border-collapse: collapse; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" colspan="2"><div class="link-enhancr-element" style="height: 4px; font-size: 4pt; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"></div></td></tr><tr><td class="link-enhancr-element" style='font-family: "Arial", "Helvetica Neue", "Helvetica", "sans-serif"; vertical-align: middle;'><div class="link-enhancr-element" style="font-size: 0pt;"><a class="link-enhancr-card-url link-enhancr-element" style="color: black; text-decoration: none !important; cursor: pointer !important;" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conference_pear" target="_blank"><span class="link-enhancr-element link-enhancr-view-on" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1442305049203_4553" style="line-height: 11px; overflow: hidden; 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color: rgb(0, 0, 0); line-height: 21px; overflow: hidden !important; font-size: 18px; font-weight: normal; display: inline-block; max-height: 43px;">Prunus 'Kanzan' - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia</span></a><div class="link-enhancr-card-description link-enhancr-element" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1442305049203_4544" style='color: rgb(153, 153, 153); line-height: 20px; overflow: hidden; font-family: "Georgia", "Times", "Times New Roman", "serif"; font-size: 13px; max-height: 81px;'>Prunus 'Kanzan' (syn. 'Kwanzan' or 'Sekiyama') is a flowering cherry cultivar. It is a deciduous tree that grows to between 8 and 12 metres high with an 8 metre spr...</div></div></div></td></tr><tr><td class="link-enhancr-element" style="height: 4px; font-size: 0pt; border-collapse: collapse; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" colspan="2"><div class="link-enhancr-element" style="height: 4px; font-size: 4pt; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"></div></td></tr><tr><td class="link-enhancr-element" style='font-family: "Arial", "Helvetica Neue", "Helvetica", "sans-serif"; vertical-align: middle;'><div class="link-enhancr-element" style="font-size: 0pt;"><a class="link-enhancr-card-url link-enhancr-element" style="color: black; text-decoration: none !important; cursor: pointer !important;" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prunus_%27Kanzan%27" target="_blank"><span class="link-enhancr-element link-enhancr-view-on" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1442305049203_4418" style="line-height: 11px; overflow: hidden; display: inline-block; -ms-word-break: break-all; max-height: 13px; min-width: 85px; max-width: 145px;"><span class="link-enhancr-element link-enhancr-mobile-no-resize" style="color: rgb(153, 153, 153); line-height: 11px; font-size: 9px; vertical-align: middle; -ms-text-size-adjust: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: none; text-size-adjust: none; -moz-text-size-adjust: none;">View on <span class="link-enhancr-view-on-domain" style="font-weight: bold;">en.wikipedia.org</span></span></span></a></div></td><td class="link-enhancr-element" style='width: 100px; font-family: "Arial", "Helvetica Neue", "Helvetica", "sans-serif"; vertical-align: middle;'><div class="link-enhancr-element link-enhancr-preview-wrapper" style="text-align: right; line-height: 11px; overflow: hidden; font-size: 0pt; max-height: 13px; min-width: 80px; max-width: 100px;"><span class="link-enhancr-element link-enhancr-preview-by link-enhancr-mobile-no-resize" style="color: rgb(153, 153, 153); line-height: 11px; font-size: 9px; vertical-align: middle; -ms-text-size-adjust: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: none; text-size-adjust: none; -moz-text-size-adjust: none;">Preview by Yahoo</span></div></td></tr><tr><td class="link-enhancr-element" style="height: 9px; font-size: 0pt; border-collapse: collapse; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" colspan="2"><div class="link-enhancr-element" style="height: 9px; font-size: 9pt; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"></div></td></tr><tr class="link-enhancr-element"><td class="link-enhancr-element" style="height: 1px; font-size: 1px; border-collapse: collapse; background-color: rgb(229, 229, 229);" colspan="8"><div class="link-enhancr-element" style="height: 1px; line-height: 0px; font-size: 1px; background-color: rgb(229, 229, 229);"> </div></td></tr></tbody></table></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1442305049203_4262"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1442305049203_4243" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, Sans-Serif; font-size: 14px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1442305049203_4242" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, Sans-Serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1442305049203_4241" dir="ltr"> <hr size="1" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1442305049203_4411"> <font id="yui_3_16_0_1_1442305049203_4454" face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> John Willis <johnw@mac.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Jerry Clough - OSM <sk53_osm@yahoo.co.uk>; "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" <tagging@openstreetmap.org> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, 15 September 2015, 9:54<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Tagging] Orchards and their crops<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1442305049203_4410"><br><br clear="none"><br clear="none">Javbw<br clear="none"><br clear="none">> On Sep 15, 2015, at 5:27 PM, Jerry Clough - OSM <<a href="mailto:sk53_osm@yahoo.co.uk" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:sk53_osm@yahoo.co.uk">sk53_osm@yahoo.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> our next problem is to identify the cultivars: not easy with cherries in Japan.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">So there is nothing between<br clear="none"><br clear="none">"This is a pear"<br clear="none"><br clear="none">And<br clear="none"><br clear="none">"This is the very specific cultivar of this variety of this pear.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">?<br clear="none"><br clear="none">It looks like ill be requesting some more tree types then. <div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yqt7187983293" id="yqtfd20580"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">Javbw. </div><br><br></div> </div> </div> </div></body></html>