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<p style="margin: 0 0 1em 0; color: black;">Some castles that started off
as strictly defensible structures had nondefensible additions later, in
peaceable times.</p>
<p style="margin: 0 0 1em 0; color: black;">-- <br>
John F. Eldredge -- john@jfeldredge.com<br>
"Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that."
-- Martin Luther King, Jr.<br>
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October 16, 2015 5:13:48 AM Warin <61sundowner@gmail.com> wrote:</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 16/10/2015 7:49 PM, Martin
Koppenhoefer wrote:<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2015-10-16 10:02 GMT+02:00 John
Willis <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<div id=":14d" class="" style="overflow:hidden">It just
feels weird to tag a more modern structure never used as
a castle as a castle.<br>
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You are right - the duck test tells me it is an imposing
historic building. And yea, it looks a bit like a castle
and is named "castle" - like the disney castle - but
it's style is to mimic a castle - it was never meant to
really be one. It is a rich person's house.<br>
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You are reading "castle" as a defensive structure, aren't
structures like these castles as well:<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palace_of_Versailles">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palace_of_Versailles</a>
(ok, that's a palace in English, but a château in French and a
Schloss in German) and according to the historic=castle page
in the wiki, these should be tagged with castle_type=palace
(or manor or stately when smaller / for lesser nobles)<br>
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The OSM wiki page historic=castle has not been 'approved'. I regard
it as wrong ... in particular with regard to Palaces, Manors ..
those are buildings .. <br>
Palace is mentioned in the original proposal page for building... <br>
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The dividing line between a castle and a building .. <br>
like the difference between a memorial and a monument .. all
relative. <br>
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A structure that has an outer defensive wall with an inner building
that also has defensive capabilities is a castle.<br>
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A building without defensive capabilities is not a castle. <br>
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To me <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schloss_Ludwigslust"
title="Schloss Ludwigslust" class="mw-redirect">Schloss
Ludwigslust</a>, Germany is not a castle. It is a building. <br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwigslust_Palace">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwigslust_Palace</a>
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<div class="gmail_extra">And btw., you have not yet answered the
question regarding the Neuschwanstein case. I could name a
similar example (besides the other Ludwig II castles in
Bavaria), much smaller, here: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lichtenstein_Castle_%28W%C3%BCrttemberg%29">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lichtenstein_Castle_%28W%C3%BCrttemberg%29</a><br>
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Appears to be a castle.
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<div class="gmail_extra">Or also this one, residence of the
emperor of Germany (prussian enclave), but not actually a
defensive structure (but "fake defensive"): <a
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href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hohenzollern_Castle"><a
class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hohenzollern_Castle">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hohenzollern_Castle</a></a><br>
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Appears to be a castle. OSM maps 'what is on the ground.. so castle?
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<div class="gmail_extra">Do you agree these are castles? This is
the wiki list about castles: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:castle_type">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:castle_type
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<div class="gmail_extra">These 19th century castles are all (or
mostly) considered castles by the Germans (actually they are
either "Burg", or "Schloss", Lichtenstein and Hohenzollern
both are "Burg", the same word as for the medieval defensive
castles), but they are clearly very different from medieval
castles and never have worked as defensive structures (neither
have they been intended to be such). Here's a very small
example of an actual medieval castle: <br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.hohen-hundersingen.de/">http://www.hohen-hundersingen.de/</a><br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burg_Hohenhundersingen">https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burg_Hohenhundersingen</a><br>
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Yep all castles. Ruins.. but were castles.<br>
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<div class="gmail_extra"> I brought this significance thing up,
because that seems to be the distinctive criterion for the
three castle types "palace", "manor" and "stately".<br>
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To me, "palace", "manor" and "stately" are buildings.. not castles.
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