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<p>On 2015-10-30 12:52, Richard Fairhurst wrote:</p>
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<div class="pre" style="margin: 0; padding: 0; font-family: monospace">Colin Smale wrote:
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<br /> highway=path and the associated access tags are the canonical example.<br /> highway=path was created to address perceived problems with<br /> highway=cycleway/footway, but in fact has made the situation less clear and<br /> significantly harder to process. Coupled to this is a proliferation of<br /> access values - from simply =yes to =designated and now =official. The<br /> result is that, in my experience, path tags are now the hardest thing to<br /> process in OSM.</div>
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<div class="pre" style="margin: 0; padding: 0; font-family: monospace">Is the situation now clear? Is it now (unambiguously) clear to (all) mappers how to tag paths? Have we gone back to tidy up any "legacy tagging" from before/during this discussion period? Or did the discussion just fizzle out after the handful of participants lost the will to live?</div>
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<div class="pre" style="margin: 0; padding: 0; font-family: monospace"><br />What tires me, is the lack of any decision-making process which <br /> is paralysing the whole business, and the lack of any (formal) <br /> attention for the data quality.</div>
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<div class="pre" style="margin: 0; padding: 0; font-family: monospace">It isn't paralysing OSM. OSM continues to advance. OSM data quality<br /> continues to improve. The improvements are, today as five or more years ago,<br /> driven by people wanting their data to be used.</div>
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<div class="pre" style="margin: 0; padding: 0; font-family: monospace">I think your definition of data quality is a lot more forgiving than mine... How does this statement relate to the "highway=path" example above?</div>
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<div class="pre" style="margin: 0; padding: 0; font-family: monospace">The tagging@ list and wiki<br /> are "noises off" but very rarely change anything - indeed, the tagging@ list<br /> was expressly set up solely to get the noise off the talk@ list. It only<br /> paralyses you if you choose to be paralysed. :)</div>
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<div class="pre" style="margin: 0; padding: 0; font-family: monospace">So you are saying that any discussions on the mailing lists are just distractions as the real decisions are taken elsewhere. Where would that be then?</div>
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<div class="pre" style="margin: 0; padding: 0; font-family: monospace">//colin</div>
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