<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Nov 1, 2015, at 3:05 AM, Gerd Petermann <<a href="mailto:GPetermann_muenchen@hotmail.com" class="">GPetermann_muenchen@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><br style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><div class="gmail_quote" style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div style="font-size: 12pt; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">It seems that many mappers associate words like "island" or "traffic island"<br class=""></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">with an area on a road that is enclosed by a white line and</div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class="gmail_quote" style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div style="font-size: 12pt; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">maybe hatched lines ("schraffiert”)</div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div><a href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/35.70784/139.75436" class="">http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/35.70784/139.75436</a> a couple types of Islands here. </div><div><br class=""></div><div>anything raised where a normal car is blocked is an island there are islands with just raised kerbs, some with hedges, and some with fences. along the top. </div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class="gmail_quote" style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div class="">I only consider an island if it elevated and tag it as traffic_calming=island.</div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class="gmail_quote" style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div class=""> If it's painted on, I do not map it as traffic_calming=island. In fact, I personally do not map it at all.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div>+1 traffic calming is usually a physical object to force an action you can not “ignore” an island in a standard car. Paint is usually for safety separation, lane alignment, or a buffer for the real island in front. But you can drive over it (and many people do). </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class="gmail_quote" style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div style="font-size: 12pt; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">Not so often: "keep clear”</div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div>I have seen the “keep Clear” areas in many places. </div><div><a href="https://www.google.com/maps/@36.38351,139.090018,48m/data=!3m1!1e" class="">https://www.google.com/maps/@36.38351,139.090018,48m/data=!3m1!1e</a></div><div> here is one with white stripes in front of a large fire department building. note, this is in the lanes of travel, not at an intersection. </div><div><br class=""></div><div><a href="https://www.google.com/maps/@36.4135414,139.3155541,48m/data=!3m1!1e3" class="">https://www.google.com/maps/@36.4135414,139.3155541,48m/data=!3m1!1e3</a></div><div>at an intersection, a red box is used. Cars are not allowed to block the intersection (next to the level crossing).</div><div> both of these are related to the “keep clear” idea. this is very common to see at easily blocked intersections. </div><div><br class=""></div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class="gmail_quote" style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div class="">Can you give an example of this? "Keep clear" for me has no relation to "traffic island"<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div style="font-size: 12pt; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><br class=""><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">when use the crossing=island tag.<span class=""><font color="#888888" class=""><br class=""></font></span></div></div></div></blockquote><div class="">This seems to me very obvious: if the pdeestrian crossing, eg. a zebra crossing is "protected" by one two traffic islands. Example with two islands:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></div></div></div></blockquote><br class=""></div><div>in the first OSM link, There is a large island with a ped crosswalk through the end of it. on the right. this seems very common for large roads with islands. </div><div><br class=""></div><div>Javbw</div><br class=""></body></html>