<div dir="ltr">Here's a little story, completely off topic, that might amuse you. Back in the 70s when the U.S. DOT decided to make right turns on red legal, the Massachusetts DOT decided they didn't like it and refused to go along. The federal government said, fine, you don't have to agree but you won't get any more federal highway funds until you cooperate. Massachusetts quickly passed the law but then posted almost every intersection in the entire state with those "No Right Turn on Red" signs that are, as John observed, quite rare everywhere else. Ridiculous but true. I was living in Boston at the time and can attest to the fact that there were only a very few places where you could go right on red. <div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>Dave</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 7:59 PM, Philip Barnes <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:phil@trigpoint.me.uk" target="_blank">phil@trigpoint.me.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class="">On Mon Nov 2 07:35:03 2015 GMT, Gerd Petermann wrote:<br>
> off topic:<br>
> Yes, I also learned that in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia.<br>
> Zebra crossing seem to have no meaning, red lights<br>
> at pedestrian crossings are ignored as long as it possible<br>
> to cross before or after the pedestrian. Sounds dangerous,<br>
> but seemed to work fine for everybody ;-)<br>
><br>
> I think there is a general pattern:<br>
> In Germany almost no one dares to ignore a traffic light,<br>
> most people also stop at a stop sign, at least they slow down<br>
> to ~ 5 kmh.<br>
> I cycled a lot of countries in Europe, and I noticed that<br>
> in other countries a stop sign is placed nearly everywhere,<br>
> which seems to have the effect that everybody treats it like<br>
> a "watch out" hint, not more.<br>
><br>
</span>Stop signs are relatively rare in the UK and are only used on difficult/more dangerous junctions. The most common sign used at junctions is a give way. When driving in other countries I have found stop to be over used.<br>
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Phil (trigpoint)<br>
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> > Am 02.11.2015 um 00:36 schrieb Dave Swarthout <<a href="mailto:daveswarthout@gmail.com">daveswarthout@gmail.com</a>>:<br>
> ><br>
> > Pedestrians are pretty much on their own here in Thailand. Even where there are zebra crossings motorists don't stop or even slow down.<br>
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> it's the same in Italy, at least in the central and southern parts. You better watch out when crossing a road at a zebra crossing (sometimes also at traffic light controlled crossings, e.g. in Naples)<br>
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> Martin<br>
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