<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Nov 8, 2015, at 7:17 PM, tomoya muramoto <<a href="mailto:muramototomoya@gmail.com" class="">muramototomoya@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">As for me, signals rendering seems not to be a big problem</span></div></blockquote></div><br class=""><div class="">I was looking around at the other maps, and the one I really like the look of is Mapion. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><a href="http://www.mapion.co.jp/m2/36.396593778361435,140.5346977118126,15" class="">http://www.mapion.co.jp/m2/36.396593778361435,140.5346977118126,15</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Mapion completely changes it’s rendering colors as you zoom in, and the signal icons are clear, but a bit later than I remember. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Google Maps is actually two different sets of data: Google’s and a Japanese GIS company, Zenrin. They have basically surveyed all of Japan building by building, and everything is drawn area based (because the roads in Japan can be such weird shapes and always change width suddenly). </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Google uses their detailed base map for all higher zooms in Japan (in places with people actually living there). This switch to Zenrin’s data happened 5-7 years ago (I think) - Google Maps was always much better in Japan than the US because of this use of a third party data company with an insanely complete hand drawn map (the survey people walk neighborhoods once a year with a clipboard and draw changes). </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">You can see the switch between the Google data and the Zenrin data between these two links. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><a href="https://www.google.co.jp/maps/@36.4025147,140.5836863,16.93z" class="">https://www.google.co.jp/maps/@36.4025147,140.5836863,16.93z</a> End of google data (z16)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><a href="https://www.google.co.jp/maps/@36.4025454,140.5838747,17.02z" class="">https://www.google.co.jp/maps/@36.4025454,140.5838747,17.02z</a> Start of Zenrin street survey (z17) </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">This level of detail is something google has been working to catch up with in the rest of their maps. But since Zenrin keeps improving the basemap and location database, it is still the best at high zoom. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Signal icons are displayed in Google’s Z16 in Japan. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Google has yet to display signals in San Diego. (z 17) </div><div class=""><a href="https://www.google.co.jp/maps/@32.7199724,-117.1657039,17.01z" class="">https://www.google.co.jp/maps/@32.7199724,-117.1657039,17.01z</a> </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Of the stop light infront of the Googleplex.</div><div class=""><a href="https://www.google.co.jp/maps/@37.4219383,-122.0850782,17.86z" class="">https://www.google.co.jp/maps/@37.4219383,-122.0850782,17.86z</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">This “necessity” to show signals is common among Japanese maps and properly localized maps. I want OSM to be just as good. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Properly showing one icon per signal is my goal, and these other mapping software illustrate what I eventually expect to see (signal wise) in OSM. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Javbw</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div></body></html>