<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Nov 9, 2015, at 10:14 PM, Andrew Errington <<a href="mailto:erringtona@gmail.com" class="">erringtona@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Surely this is a rendering problem?</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">In other words, if there are many named traffic lights within a</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">certain distance of each other then only one symbol/name/whatever</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">should be rendered? If the traffic lights are all tagged the same</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">then it ought to be even easier.</span></div></blockquote></div><br class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Nov 9, 2015, at 8:28 PM, Michał Brzozowski <<a href="mailto:www.haxor@gmail.com" class="">www.haxor@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><span class="" style="float: none; display: inline !important;">Frankly I don't find their road system to be that different to</span><br class=""><span class="" style="float: none; display: inline !important;">necessitate areal representation,</span></div></blockquote></div><br class=""><div class="">I have been showing easy sections. There are large parts of the road network where the maxwidth changes every 10-20 meters, so they use area based visual for the roads. </div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The signals can be very close to one another becuase of complex and convoluted roads. A rule that would work well in Tokyo, with it’s massive intersections, could easily group 2 unrelated lights together. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The goal (if I understand it correctly, but I am not good at relations) of traffic Signals area was to leave nodes in their normal places on the roads, and connect them together with an area to say “this is a single light” via a relation, which better renderers can then render the light icon (and an attached name) as a single light. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I’m not sure some fuzzy logic rule could group them together unless we just put all the nodes (and crosswalk crossings?) into a relation for a renderer to easily parse in some manner. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Having a system that allowed multiple icons to be rendered for complicated junctions was, IMO, a mistake in the first place. a simple intersection between two ways, fine, but when we get into messy intersections, have 5-6 signal icons represented seems odd. Perhaps the data customers don’t mind - but the default rendered map is my priority. I care about fixing it for this regional issue, but I if this helps everyone, and we can find a way to make it not such a bother for mappers (making a relation, etc), then I am all for it - whatever does the job properly. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Javbw.</div></body></html>