<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" class="">On Nov 13, 2015, at 7:46 PM, tomoya muramoto <<a href="mailto:muramototomoya@gmail.com" class="">muramototomoya@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">However officially (legally) the name is "place" name. It causes some problems.</div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I understood it to be the signals were named after the places - not the places themselves.And only *sometimes* named for places. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Places are named with place=*, and it is well documented how to name any location in Japan, including the <span style="font-family: sans-serif; background-color: rgb(249, 249, 249);" class="">小字 / 字 / 丁 / 丁目</span> places with place=neighbourhood </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span style="color: rgb(71, 135, 255); text-decoration: underline;" class=""><a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Japan_tagging#Places" class="">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Japan_tagging#Places</a></span></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">These are signal names, and often they are named for buildings or other locations, not the actual place=neighbourhood places. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">A Signal in my city is named, translated, “ Above Kiryu Train Station” 桐生駅前</div><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><a href="http://www.mapion.co.jp/m2/42.99001590102444,141.35332833963417,15" class="">https://www.google.co.jp/maps/@36.4115134,139.3328665,18.59z</a></div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The coffee shop on the corner is Miyamae-cho 2<span style="background-color: rgb(249, 249, 249);" class=""><font face="sans-serif" class="">丁 8-5 => </font></span>桐生駅前 is not part of it’s address - it is just the name of that signal. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">They are all just named traffic signals. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The examples you give are reasons why they are signal names, and not junction or place names.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">Small problem: No junction<br class=""><a href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1114945003" class="">http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1114945003</a></blockquote><br class=""></div><div class="">The signals are named for the building complex (just like lights are often named for train stations). </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The light is just for the crosswalk. Naming the signal controlling the crosswalk should not be an issue. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The crosswalk itself (road x crosswalk could be considered a junction too. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">Severe problem: Different names</blockquote><br class=""></div><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">I don't have any idea to map them correctly.</span></div></blockquote></div><br class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">wow! that is interesting! I’ve never seen that before. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">it looks like they are signs for the block you are entering. so depending on your direction of travel, you see a different block name. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><=== west6 ooo west5 ======== west5 ooo west 4======== west4 ooo west 3 ==></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">but it overlaps in in both directions. all the lights in that area are that way. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">wow! All of Sapporo is that way! </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Google does it with a single named signal with the lowest and highest values </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><a href="https://www.google.co.jp/maps/@43.0923,141.3410069,17.55z" class="">https://www.google.co.jp/maps/@43.0923,141.3410069,17.55z</a> </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">N26 W6</div><div class="">N27 W5 </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Yahoo Too</div><div class=""><a href="http://maps.loco.yahoo.co.jp/maps?type=scroll&datum=wgs&mode=map&pointer=off&lat=35.4573089010882&lon=139.619295364418&z=19" class="">http://maps.loco.yahoo.co.jp/maps?type=scroll&datum=wgs&mode=map&pointer=off&lat=35.4573089010882&lon=139.619295364418&z=19</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class="">N26 W6 • N27 W5 </div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Mapion as well</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><a href="http://www.mapion.co.jp/m2/42.99001590102444,141.35332833963417,15" class="">http://www.mapion.co.jp/m2/42.99001590102444,141.35332833963417,15</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">N27 W5 • N26 W6</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">For people driving, each signal should have it’s own name - but it looks like the map companies have standardized on this layout for naming the set of signals. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">This would be a big problem if we were naming junctions, but we are naming signals, so we can give each of the signals a name - </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">but it is very difficult to get a single icon to render (one set of signals) but have all 4 names shown. I suppose this is why everyone chose the solution they did. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Perhaps we can have the signal members in a group get their own name for routing purposes, but that might be overkill. We since this is such an odd thing, baybe we should follow the data conventions of the other maps and use named pairs for each signal name.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I will now go and look at some other large cities to see if they have this weird grid issue as well. I have never seen this before now. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Javbw</div><div class=""><br class=""></div></body></html>