<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Nov 15, 2015, at 3:35 AM, Frederik Ramm <<a href="mailto:frederik@remote.org" class="">frederik@remote.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Yes, a tragedy has happened, or more precisely a horrific crime; and</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">yes, you and I and many others wish to extend our hearfelt condolences</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">to the victims and their families. But OpenStreetMap is not the right</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">medium to do that.</span></div></blockquote></div><br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">But let us hope that vandalism will not be added to terrorism.<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">That's exactly what you are inviting here. You may have the best<br class="">intentions but you're doing the wrong thing.</blockquote><br class=""></div><div class="">+1</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The stories coming out of Paris are heartbreaking. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Seeing the french flag pop up on websites - it appeared on <a href="http://Amazon.co.jp" class="">Amazon.co.jp</a> almost as soon as I read of the attacks - gets one into the mood of “me too” for our own web sites, and OSM is no exception to this feeling.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I ordered a French flag to fly on our School’s flagpole on Monday. at school from Amazon Japan. I feel that is a display that people can see and understand. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">But we must refrain from doing this via the OSM dataset.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Adding comments into the data that will invite further note tagging that is unrelated to the actual mapping data is not a good idea. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Perhaps having a “Open Memory Map” or something to help document people’s experiences (good &bad) as related to specific geographic places would be a good idea, but that is not the goal of the OSM dataset (AFAIK). </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I assume in the coming months (or years) there will be plaques and monuments erected to the victims, both Big and small - a tiny brass plaque, a planted tree in a park, a memorial made to a specific person who died. While individually we can fly a flag or wear a pin, donate money or directly work to help victims where possible,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">OSM’s job is to faithfully map and document those plaques, memorials, and related objects. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">On the one or five year anniversaries of the attacks, when the memorials are built and the speeches and political rhetoric has died down, we can make a special link on the OSM page that links to a collection of large public and small personal memorials that people click to see on OSM, and using the website & wikipedia tags - read about the memorials (as most people can’t visit France directly) or point people to read about an ordinary person that died, memorialized by a tiny overlooked plaque on a bench or tree in a normally unnoticed section of a park - possibly outside of France if they were from somewhere else.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Us announcing that we added a note is not going to get much worthwhile press, while everyone is still reading about the bloodshed and hearing the politicians speak. It will invite further notes. And what we offer on the map is not very useful as a map. Everyone knows the locations - we don’t need to “me too” this. We should offer a “native” memorial in our data by mapping the memorials and linking to them on the anniversary via the OSM front page and shared via social media.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">That is how OSM can honor the victims of these attacks: To help people not forget the victims. To help people find out about an ordinary person memorialized by a lonely plaque somewhere - keeping their memory alive - as after we pass away, we exist only in memory. Keeping their memory alive is a noble thing to do. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I hope we don’t have to map many more memorials - in France or elsewhere.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Solidarité</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Javbw</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class="">Also, mappers in Paris, please know there are people around the world (literally) who would love to give you a big hug, and wishing for your safety and that you were not personally affected by these attacks. Please map the memorials as meticulously as you can when they are made. </div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">PS: would we have to link all the memorials to a specific event via a relation? I have no idea about that. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div></body></html>