<html><head></head><body>Hello Robin, <br>
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thanks for referring to the previous discussion. Seems I had missed that. <br>
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As a "global" default won't work due to the arguments mentioned, how about making it easier for the data consumers? <br>
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We still face the problem that a lot of opening hours are incompletely specified. So for example the opening hours js library could display a warning in case of a public holiday and missing explicit specification in the tags. Would give a heads up notice to be more cautious with the data. <br>
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Is there already an osmose category existing to find incomplete opening hours? <br>
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Stephan <br>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On November 20, 2015 12:35:42 AM GMT+07:00, Robin Schneider <ypid@riseup.net> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<pre class="k9mail">-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----<br />Hash: SHA512<br /><br />On 19.11.2015 13:01, Stephan Knauss wrote:<br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;"> Hi,<br /> <br /> the wiki page describes that "PH off" is required in case something is <br /> closed on a public holiday.<br /> <br /> This page confirms it: <br /> <a href="http://openingh.openstreetmap.de/evaluation_tool/?setLng=de">http://openingh.openstreetmap.de/evaluation_tool/?setLng=de</a> a facility<br /> tagged with "Mo-Fr 10:00-18:00" would be open on Christmas Friday.<br /> <br /> Wouldn't it be much more meaningful to assume a default of "PH off" and <br /> just specify situations in which this is not the default? Likely the <br /> majority of amenities with tagged opening hours are closed on public <br /> holidays.<br /> <br /> Check of OSM data: Out of 445 banks in Bavaria with opening hours 417 would<br /> be open on a
public holiday (which is certainly always wrong).<br /> <br /> Having the need to add PH off to every single entry would make it explicit,<br /> but is contrary to the typical common understanding of opening hours. And<br /> we also don't add oneway=no to the highways to make it explicit.<br /> <br /> So I suggest to adopt a default understanding of "PH off" unless tagged <br /> otherwise.<br /> <br /> Would it be worth opening a ticket here? <br /> <a href="https://github.com/ypid/opening_hours.js">https://github.com/ypid/opening_hours.js</a><br /></blockquote><br /><br />Good evening Stephan<br /><br />You are not the first one with this idea. It has already be discoursed and it<br />was rejected. Such a proposal would make sense when looking only at Germany<br />but it does not work so well when applied worldwide …<br /><br />Refs:<br /><br />- - (Assuming you speak German):<br /><a
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