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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 28/12/2015 10:11 AM, tomoya muramoto
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      <div dir="ltr">Hi all,<br>
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        I understand your proposal. But I think "landuse=forestry"
        should be consistent with "landuse=farmland/farmyard".<br>
        <a moz-do-not-send="true"
          href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dfarmland">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dfarmland</a><br>
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          href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dfarmyard">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dfarmyard</a><br>
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        Then "tree area" would be "landuse=forest-land", and "forester's
        house" would be "landuse=forest-yard". (Of course more
        appropriate words should be chosen.)<br>
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    Landuse=orchard does not have this 'problem'? And landuse=vineyard
    would be very confusing!!!!<br>
    And the recent discussion on swimming pools and their change rooms
    etc has a suggestion that all the things can exist under one tag. <br>
    If people want to tag those .. well they will be buildings for the
    saw mill and drying shed .. so they can be separately tagged if
    desired. <br>
    If really needed then landuse=forestry_yard could be used? <br>
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        However I think we should clarify how to distinguish
        landuse/landcover(/surface) first as these proposals.<br>
        <a moz-do-not-send="true"
          href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/landcover">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/landcover</a><br>
        <a moz-do-not-send="true"
          href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Rudolf/draft_landcover">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Rudolf/draft_landcover</a><br>
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    Those proposals/ideas have been in existence for years. <br>
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    Simple definitions of;<br>
    Land USE is what humans use the land for.<br>
    Land COVER is what you see covering the surface of the globe.<br>
    I think that is fairly clear? <br>
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    The problems arise from the values of these keys and the way in
    which people use them. <br>
    <br>
    I am trying to get a good value that reduces the confusion and mixed
    use of landuse=forest tag to something better? <br>
    <br>
    Rudolf suggests that landuse=forest be transferred to landcover -
    thus again demonstrating a problem with landuse=forest! <br>
    <br>
    The common understanding of the word 'forest' is .. an area of
    trees. This is not an active 'use'. <br>
    The common understanding of the word 'forestry' is .. an activity
    that uses trees to make products. This is a 'use'.<br>
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    Landcover ... is a separate topic that would take much discussion
    ... you can see it from my initial addition to Rudolf page - <br>
    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User_talk:Rudolf/draft_landcover">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User_talk:Rudolf/draft_landcover</a>
    ... <br>
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        muramoto<br>
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    Thanks... interesting views on the farmland and farmyard thing that
    I was not aware of. <br>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">2015-12-28 6:31 GMT+09:00 Warin <span
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              class="">On 28/12/2015 3:42 AM, Mateusz Konieczny wrote:<br>
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                On Sun, 27 Dec 2015 11:43:00 +1100<br>
                Warin <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:61sundowner@gmail.com" target="_blank">61sundowner@gmail.com</a>>
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                  Hi,<br>
                  The present multiple applications landuse=forest has
                  me thinking that<br>
                  a new tag of<br>
                  <br>
                  landuse=forestry<br>
                  <br>
                  maybe best to focus this new tag onto a specific
                  forest use - that of<br>
                  wood production.<br>
                  <br>
                  In the longer term the tag landuse=forest can
                  eventually be<br>
                  depreciated .. people can migrate the older tagged
                  things into<br>
                  <br>
                  Use;<br>
                  landuse=forestry  for wood producing areas<br>
                  leisure=nature_reserve for areas of nature
                  preservation<br>
                  natural=wood for areas covered with trees not used<br>
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                Note that landuse=forestry would include areas not
                covered by trees and<br>
                used for forestry. Starting from forester's house<br>
                ( <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="https://pl.wiktionary.org/wiki/le%C5%9Bnicz%C3%B3wka#pl"
                  rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://pl.wiktionary.org/wiki/le%C5%9Bnicz%C3%B3wka#pl</a>
                ).<br>
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            Yes!<br>
            land use = forestry.  To do with growing trees and making
            stuff from them.<br>
            Thus the saw mill, drying and storage sheds. A residence ...
            not certain of.<br>
            Are residences of factory workers included in a
            landuse=factory?<br>
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            To indicate that trees are there ... i.e. land cover ...
            landcover=trees.
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