<div dir="ltr">Good timing, Colin. I was about to bring up what differentiates DIY from, say, a lumberyard or a steel yard, which focuses primarily on the materials wholesale and may (for example, <a href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/294108329">Parr Lumber</a>) incidentally have a small hardware and paint shop (at radically inflated prices).</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 5:31 AM, Colin Smale <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:colin.smale@xs4all.nl" target="_blank">colin.smale@xs4all.nl</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,Geneva,sans-serif">
<p>Large stocks of building materials and supporting construction materials is what I would probably call a "builders merchant".</p>
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<p><a href="http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/builders%27-merchant?q=builders+merchant" target="_blank">http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/builders%27-merchant?q=builders+merchant</a></p>
<p>But note the third example sentence: "The boundaries between builders' merchants and DIY operators is becoming increasingly blurred."</p>
<p>Buying enough stuff to put up a shelf might come under "DIY" but the same stuff in quantities to build a new room extension is a different ballgame and then I would search for a builders merchant in the area, not a DIY shop.</p><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
<p>//colin</p></font></span><div><div class="h5">
<p>On 2016-02-11 11:31, John Willis wrote:</p>
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<blockquote type="cite" style="padding:0 0.4em;border-left:#1010ff 2px solid;margin:0">On Feb 11, 2016, at 5:26 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer <<a href="mailto:dieterdreist@gmail.com" target="_blank">dieterdreist@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br> ot (they'd sell wire and nails/screws, glue, paint and even small amounts of gypsum or cement, also smaller extruded metal profiles might be available, or chainlink mesh,</blockquote>
<br> Usually they sell small amounts of many materials for very tiny projects, but usually the small amounts are for repairs of exists ting things. <br><br> Many people repairing a toilet or a door may go to a hardware store. But no one finishing a room or building a bathroom is. The DIY is for "you can renovate the bathroom or build a deck" yourself - anyone should be able to patch a hole in the wall or repair a leaky faucet - that isn't the DIY meaning. I built a workshop in our garden from lumber and metal sheeting from a DIY. I bought a specialty tool to repair an old sink at a hardware store. <br><br> Focusing on products available is the key. Making a distinction that is easy for mappers to discern in wiki (or iD preset) without cracking the OED and without having them make a judgment call on the quality of service (I have met morons and well-versed professionals in both) are very good things to avoid. DIY stores are open to the public - whereas many counties have restrictions on certain types of materials available. Though a pro or contractor may buy materials at a DIY shop, that is also not important - as the DIY sells bulk building supplies to *anyone* - that is the important part. <br><br> Hardware shop: focus on:<br><br> Tools (power, hand)<br> Hardware (fasteners, hinges, etc)<br> Consumables / paint <br><br> And Minor stock of materials (small lumber, garden) <br><br> ~~~~~<br><br><br> DIY: focus on:<br> Large stocks of above, plus<br><br> Focus on Large stocks of building materials. <br><br> In addition, may include: <br> Large stocks of fixtures/ home appliances / Outdoor tools/ farm supplies / landscaping supplies<br><br> Large stocks of supporting construction materials. <br><br> Again, we're in a world where the DIY shop (Home Depot) has crushed the "general hardware" store (Ace), so there should be a lot more DIY stores in some regions than "hardware" shops. <br><br> Javbw<br> _______________________________________________<br> Tagging mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Tagging@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">Tagging@openstreetmap.org</a><br><a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging" target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging</a></div>
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