<div dir="ltr">@Warin, <div><br></div><div>Thanks for your reply. While I may agree with you on some of this my question has more to do with understanding the tagging scheme that's in place and how it came to be there rather than trying to change it to something different. For example, I agree "sells" would be a better tag than "sale" but sale is already present in the JOSM preset.</div><div><br></div><div>Unifying the tagging of motorcycle shops with those for cars, bicycles, etc. is certainly a worthwhile goal but it's beyond what I want to take on at the moment. </div><div><br></div><div>I'm afraid the old saying about "too many cooks spoiling the broth" applies in this case (and many others I'm sure).</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 11:20 AM, Warin <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:61sundowner@gmail.com" target="_blank">61sundowner@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>On 3/03/2016 12:23 PM, Dave Swarthout
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<div>I recently discovered a preset in JOSM that should help in
my work, shop=motorcycle
(See:Presets/Transport/Motorcycle/Motorcycle Dealer in JOSM
rel 9900). It is very detailed and would seem to cover every
possible aspect of such shops from clothing and accessories to
service. But it uses some tags and values that I've never seen
and for which I could find no documentation.</div>
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<div>In addition to the established tag brand which defines the
name of the vehicle's manufacturer, (brand=Yamaha,
brand=Honda), brand as a value appears as an offering for
several other tags. Here is a section of the <a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dmotorcycle" target="_blank">Wiki
page for shop=motorcycle</a></div>
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<p style="margin:0.5em 0px;line-height:28px;color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:17.5px">The
following is a proposal to put this service variety into
tags:</p>
<ul style="margin:0.3em 0px 0px 1.6em;padding:0px;color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:17.5px;line-height:28px">
<li style="margin-bottom:0.1em"><i>sale=yes/brand/used/no/...</i> -
sells whole motorcycles</li>
<li style="margin-bottom:0.1em"><i>rental=yes/brand/no/...</i> -
motorcycle rental</li>
<li style="margin-bottom:0.1em"><i>repair=yes/brand/oldtimer/no/...</i> -
repairs / maintains motorcycles</li>
<li style="margin-bottom:0.1em"><i>safety_inspection=yes/no</i> - <a rel="nofollow" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_inspection" style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(102,51,102);padding-right:13px;background:linear-gradient(transparent,transparent) 100% 50% no-repeat,url("") 100% 50%" target="_blank">inspection</a> of safety/emission regulation
conformance</li>
<li style="margin-bottom:0.1em"><i>parts=yes/brand/oldtimer/no/...</i> -
sells motorcycle parts</li>
<li style="margin-bottom:0.1em"><i>clothes=yes/brand/no/...</i> -
sells motorcycle clothes / equipment</li>
<li style="margin-bottom:0.1em"><i>scooters=yes/no/only</i> -
to distinguish scooter shops, very useful in Asia</li>
<li style="margin-bottom:0.1em"><i>services=...</i> - other
services this shop offers</li>
</ul>
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<div>Note the tag "sale" which can take values of yes, no, or
brand. I reckon it means what it says but "sale" seems a poor
choice for a tag. (Note too that the Preset does not offer
"used" in the choices as the Wiki implies.) If the wording in
the Wiki is followed then this tag means the shop sells "whole
motorcycles" (as opposed to pieces of motorcycles) of a
certain brand. Fine, but the brand tag in the main section of
the preset already specifies that, doesn't it? Is it logical
to expect a shop selling new Hondas to also sell pieces of
Yamaha motorcycles? <br>
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<div>One could reasonably assume that "brand" in those other
cases means clothing of a certain brand, parts of a certain
brand, etc., but what is the value "oldtimer" supposed to
indicate?</div>
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<div>Thanks for your help and comments.</div>
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Most shops sell more than one brand of an item. <br>
And 'sale' is usually taken to be a special event where prices are
lower. <br>
secondhand is already in the wiki
<a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:second_hand" target="_blank">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:second_hand</a> ... status=
approved .. so you would assume it has been discussed here and voted
on. Around June 2012. <br>
safety_inspection= ... see wiki amenity= vehicle_inspection
<a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dvehicle_inspection" target="_blank">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dvehicle_inspection</a><br>
oldtimer refers to older things.. usually no longer sold 'new' but
either 'restored', 'used' etc. Example; vintage and veteran cars. <br>
<br>
Presently bicycle shops have a dedicated tagging scheme... are all
shops to have there own individual and incompatible scheme? Or can
we have ONE common scheme? Please?<br>
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I would prefer<br>
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sells:motorcycle:yamaha:honda=yes<br>
sells:motorcycle:parts:honda=yes<br>
sells:motorcycle:tyres:yes !NOTE UK ENGLISH!<br>
sells:scooters:hysong:yes<br>
sells:motorcycle_clothing=yes<br>
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Repair, maintain and service .. can all mean the same thing!!!!
These can be a separate area.. a 'workshop' with a separate entry
and separate reception. <br>
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