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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/03/2016 12:23 PM, Dave Swarthout
      wrote:<br>
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        <div>I recently discovered a preset in JOSM that should help in
          my work, shop=motorcycle
          (See:Presets/Transport/Motorcycle/Motorcycle Dealer in JOSM
          rel 9900). It is very detailed and would seem to cover every
          possible aspect of such shops from clothing and accessories to
          service. But it uses some tags and values that I've never seen
          and for which I could find no documentation.</div>
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        <div>In addition to the established tag brand which defines the
          name of the vehicle's manufacturer, (brand=Yamaha,
          brand=Honda), brand as a value appears as an offering for
          several other tags. Here is a section of the <a
            moz-do-not-send="true"
            href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dmotorcycle">Wiki
            page for shop=motorcycle</a></div>
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          <p style="margin:0.5em
0px;line-height:28px;color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:17.5px">The
            following is a proposal to put this service variety into
            tags:</p>
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1.6em;padding:0px;color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:17.5px;line-height:28px">
            <li style="margin-bottom:0.1em"><i>sale=yes/brand/used/no/...</i> -
              sells whole motorcycles</li>
            <li style="margin-bottom:0.1em"><i>rental=yes/brand/no/...</i> -
              motorcycle rental</li>
            <li style="margin-bottom:0.1em"><i>repair=yes/brand/oldtimer/no/...</i> -
              repairs / maintains motorcycles</li>
            <li style="margin-bottom:0.1em"><i>safety_inspection=yes/no</i> - <a
                moz-do-not-send="true" rel="nofollow" class=""
                href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_inspection"
                style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(102,51,102);padding-right:13px;background:linear-gradient(transparent,transparent)
                100% 50%
                no-repeat,url("data:image/svg+xml,%3C%3Fxml%20version%3D%221.0%22%20encoding%3D%22UTF-8%22%3F%3E%3Csvg%20xmlns%3D%22http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2000%2Fsvg%22%20width%3D%2210%22%20height%3D%2210%22%3E%3Cg%20transform%3D%22translate%28-826.429%20-698.791%29%22%3E%3Crect%20width%3D%225.982%22%20height%3D%225.982%22%20x%3D%22826.929%22%20y%3D%22702.309%22%20fill%3D%22%23fff%22%20stroke%3D%22%2306c%22%2F%3E%3Cg%3E%3Cpath%20d%3D%22M831.194%20698.791h5.234v5.391l-1.571%201.545-1.31-1.31-2.725%202.725-2.689-2.689%202.808-2.808-1.311-1.311z%22%20fill%3D%22%2306f%22%2F%3E%3Cpath%20d%3D%22M835.424%20699.795l.022%204.885-1.817-1.817-2.881%202.881-1.228-1.228%202.881-2.881-1.851-1.851z%22%20fill%3D%22%23fff%22%2F%3E%3C%2Fg%3E%3C%2Fg%3E%3C%2Fsvg%3E")
                100% 50%">inspection</a> of safety/emission regulation
              conformance</li>
            <li style="margin-bottom:0.1em"><i>parts=yes/brand/oldtimer/no/...</i> -
              sells motorcycle parts</li>
            <li style="margin-bottom:0.1em"><i>clothes=yes/brand/no/...</i> -
              sells motorcycle clothes / equipment</li>
            <li style="margin-bottom:0.1em"><i>scooters=yes/no/only</i> -
              to distinguish scooter shops, very useful in Asia</li>
            <li style="margin-bottom:0.1em"><i>services=...</i> - other
              services this shop offers</li>
          </ul>
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        <div>Note the tag "sale" which can take values of yes, no, or
          brand. I reckon it means what it says but "sale" seems a poor
          choice for a tag.  (Note too that the Preset does not offer
          "used" in the choices as the Wiki implies.) If the wording in
          the Wiki is followed then this tag means the shop sells "whole
          motorcycles" (as opposed to pieces of motorcycles) of a
          certain brand. Fine, but the brand tag in the main section of
          the preset already specifies that, doesn't it? Is it logical
          to expect a shop selling new Hondas to also sell pieces of
          Yamaha motorcycles? <br>
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        <div>One could reasonably assume that "brand" in those other
          cases means clothing of a certain brand, parts of a certain
          brand, etc., but what is the value "oldtimer" supposed to
          indicate?</div>
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        <div>Thanks for your help and comments.</div>
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    Most shops sell more than one brand of an item. <br>
    And 'sale' is usually taken to be a special event where prices are
    lower. <br>
    secondhand is already in the wiki
    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:second_hand">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:second_hand</a> ... status=
    approved .. so you would assume it has been discussed here and voted
    on. Around June 2012. <br>
    safety_inspection= ... see wiki amenity= vehicle_inspection
    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dvehicle_inspection">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dvehicle_inspection</a><br>
    oldtimer refers to older things.. usually no longer sold 'new' but
    either 'restored', 'used' etc. Example; vintage and veteran cars. <br>
    <br>
    Presently bicycle shops have a dedicated tagging scheme... are all
    shops to have there own individual and incompatible scheme? Or can
    we have ONE common scheme? Please?<br>
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    I would prefer<br>
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    sells:motorcycle:yamaha:honda=yes<br>
    sells:motorcycle:parts:honda=yes<br>
    sells:motorcycle:tyres:yes  !NOTE UK ENGLISH!<br>
    sells:scooters:hysong:yes<br>
    sells:motorcycle_clothing=yes<br>
    <br>
    Repair, maintain and service .. can all mean the same thing!!!!
    These can be a separate area..  a 'workshop' with a separate entry
    and separate reception. <br>
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