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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">The precision/accuracy is not only
      limited by the instruments used but also the knowledge used. <br>
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      For some things OSM has access to very precise data. In other
      instances it is fuzzy. For some things .. the past entries has
      been much improved by new data from other sources  (sometimes
      opening of government sources)<br>
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      No mater the precision/accuracy .. is the information
      usefull/informative? That should be the criteria for data entry,
      not its' accuracy/precision. Signifying the accuracy/precision has
      no formal tag .. I usually enter a note if I am concerned, or if I
      am really uncertain and want to wave a flag that it should be
      fixed .. then a fixme tag suits. But I have no objection to
      'fuzzy' data ... provided it is usefull/informative. <br>
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      On 28/03/2016 9:59 AM, Dave Swarthout wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">This sort of object is common in Thailand. We have
        many gated communities here whose boundaries are not exactly
        known although they are sometimes fairly obvious in aerial
        imagery because of being surrounded by a wall or fence of some
        sort. I create a polygon using Bing imagery, tag it as
        place=neighbourhood, name=* and add a fixme or note tag
        indicating that the boundary is inexact. Later, if a mapper has
        better data available they can update that boundary.
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        <div>Most polygons in OSM are simply not precise enough to
          define the property boundaries or even the object's position
          exactly. Such measurements are, practically speaking, beyond
          the capability of our instruments, and we must accept that in
          our tagging philosophy. Obviously, forests and woods,
          wetlands, and the scrub bordering them are not clearly
          defined. Yet we usually tag them as areas rather than nodes so
          they will show up in a more useful manner on a map.</div>
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        <div>I see no problem with this whatsoever.</div>
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        <div>Cheers,</div>
        <div>Dave</div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 3:40 AM,
          Clifford Snow <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:clifford@snowandsnow.us" target="_blank">clifford@snowandsnow.us</a>></span>
          wrote:<br>
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            <div dir="ltr">Fuzzy boundaries do have their place.
              Currently we use sharp boundaries for landuse, but often
              the boundary is really fuzzy. A wooded area would be a
              good example of a where a fuzzy boundary might be
              employed. But the fuzziness of a wooded area may only be a
              few meters. The fuzziness of "Shakespeare Country" is
              completely different. 
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              <div>I agree that there are advantages to including fuzzy
                boundaries, but we should first document how to tag
                these features.</div>
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                  <div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Mar 27, 2016 at 12:59
                    PM, Colin Smale <span dir="ltr"><<a
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                    wrote:<br>
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                        <p>If we can't mark polygons as fuzzy, then we
                          can only allow 'accurate' polygons. Then we
                          are back to square one, with no way of
                          accommodating these regions except for a
                          simple node.</p>
                        <p>I think the problem is clear (how do we
                          represent regions whose boundaries are not
                          precisely defined). Time to talk about
                          solutions.</p>
                        <p>The status quo is without any guidelines,
                          possibly leading to random creativity
                          according to the whim of the mapper concerned.</p>
                        <p>Another option is to not do it, to say such
                          things have no place in OSM, and actively
                          reject any attempt to do so (i.e. if anyone
                          dares to put "Pays de Bray" or "Shakespeare
                          Country" into OSM, the objects will be deleted
                          and the mapper admonished).</p>
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                        <p>Or we go for the single-node approach, and
                          lose out on any clues about the extent of the
                          area concerned.</p>
                        <p>Or we accept "best-guess" polygons with
                          "incremental refinement."</p>
                        <p>Any offers?</p>
                        <span><font color="#888888">
                            <p>//colin</p>
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                            <p>On 2016-03-27 21:36, Martin Koppenhoefer
                              wrote:</p>
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                                  schrieb Anders Fougner <<a
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                                  Did you already consider a fuzzy tag
                                  (such as fuzzy=yes or
                                  boundary_fuzzy=yes)?</blockquote>
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                                that's a makeshift which isn't quite
                                elegant and still has similar problems
                                (things that seem to be in might be out
                                and vice versa).<br>
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                                cheers,<br>
                                Martin <br>
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