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<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Calibri><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Calibri><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Calibri><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>Tag
place=isolated_dwelling, which should be used to name an almost unpopulated
place (often in the mountains), can be currently defined as node (point) or
polygon (area), but not as a way (line). Same consideration for place=hamlet or
place=locality: using way is not allowed for them.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Calibri><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Calibri><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>It often happens that,
when a place cannot be clearly delimited in the mountains, traditional maps
typically draw its text, where the text itself outlines and shapes the covered
region.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Calibri><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Calibri><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>Check for instance this
map found in Intenet:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Calibri><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'><a
href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-mQlKv2pP5Qg/UWMx9WybzPI/AAAAAAAAAy8/QC6o0CsvyBQ/s1600/M.+Erio+cartina+traccia.JPG">http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-mQlKv2pP5Qg/UWMx9WybzPI/AAAAAAAAAy8/QC6o0CsvyBQ/s1600/M.+Erio+cartina+traccia.JPG</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Calibri><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Calibri><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>You can see that there
are places, named with capital letters in this case, where the text itself
shapes the related region.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Calibri><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>Examples in that map: PLATA, COSTA
DEL CIVELLO, HORNA HUTA, POZZETTA SECCA, SPIAZZI DEI MERCANTI, CHEMPLE, BOSCO
SCURO, BOSCO PERGOLA, VERENETTA, etc.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Calibri><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>These labels represent
named sectors of specific mountains, without clear boundaries.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Calibri><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Calibri><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>Notice that they do not
mark ridges, aretes, valleys, so we cannot use these already existing tags to
name them.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Calibri><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Calibri><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>Sometimes they are
sub-ridges, sometimes are partial woods (but the zone can be part of a wood and
sometimes includes pastures); often (or maybe usually) they are uplands (which
do not have a tag in OSM currently).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Calibri><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Calibri><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>They are not
place=region & region:type=mountain_area, which should be dedicated to
tagging consistent group of mountains and not a place of limited size within a
single mountain.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Calibri><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Calibri><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>For place=region &
region:type=mountain_area there are many examples in OSM showing that specific
boundaries of mountain group are definable and effective and DEM can be
exploited to discover the most appropriate boundaries. Conversely, DEM might
not of help at all for local names attributed to small areas within a single
mountain (e.g., a single mountain might have a number of uplands, let's say 5
or 10).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Calibri><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>Provided that there
could be no relation between DEM and local places within a single mountain,
sometimes, like in the case here below, boundaries could be appropriately
imagined basing on the current vegetation:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Calibri><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'><a
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/Mountains"><span
lang=EN-GB>http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/Mountains</span></a></span></font><font
size=2 face=Calibri><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>
(ref. "sidearm, subpeak, i-dont-know" and related image </span></font><font
size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'><a
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:2014-05-18_11-30-25.jpg"><span
lang=EN-GB>http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:2014-05-18_11-30-25.jpg</span></a></span></font><font
size=2 face=Calibri><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Calibri><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Calibri><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>Anyway, in most cases,
names refer to ancient usage of territories. Ancient woodlands might have
different boundaries than modern woods. Wood-pastures can be human creation
induced in past ages by grazing animals and selectively clearing trees on the
land. Some of them remain stable over centuries, some don't. For instance, when
in past centuries the production of wool was a main human activity on a
specific land, grass pastures were prominent to provide natural food for sheep;
now, if one tries to name a medieval place using the boundaries of last century
woods (naturally regenerated or possibly consolidated in recent years through
artificial planting) he will improperly tag a place by forcing a border
redefinition of a different original perimeter; also tagging a wood area
hypothetically reflecting its ancient name inside a modern wood (or even
intersecting an existing wood representing current land use - e.g. a wood inside
a wood or a wood/pasture intersecting a wood) might not be correct (other than
forcing the mapper to artificially define a border to a region named in past
ages which might not be scientifically identified nowadays).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Calibri><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Calibri><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>Provided that marking
such areas with polylines can lead to inappropriate tagging as the boundaries
are not well definable, they do not deserve just a point, as they may represent
an extended area, that can be shaped through its text (often the original shape
can be found in historic maps too, e.g., available in municipal archives.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Calibri><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>For these reasons, I
would consider appropriate representing such places as areas when boundaries
are well definable, or through lines when there is no deterministic way to
define an actual boundary. I anyway would limit visibility of points (nodes) to
very high zoom levels (e.g., zoom level >=15) to incentivize mappers to be
as accurate as possible on tagging (lines and areas shall be strongly
privileged to simple nodes).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Calibri><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Calibri><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>Lines (way) shall be
dragged defining the appropriate curve, where each node of the line should be
placed with reference to the most common attribution to the referenced named
place (e.g., basing decision on local knowledge, on old/authoritative documents
e.g. found in local municipalities, on public maps with right to be used in
OSM, etc.).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Calibri><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Calibri><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>Maybe a hypothetic
natural=upland (to be represented as node, way or polygon) could address them. (Or
please let me know alternative proposals.). Perhaps, natural=mountain_upland
could avoid abuse of this tag.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Calibri><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Calibri><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>They might also be
considered as place=isolated_dwelling, place=hamlet or place=locality (even if
sometimes abused). Reusing already existing tags like these ones (instead of
creating a new one like "upland") leads anyway to the consideration
to enable the possibility for them to draw a line, representing the appropriate
shape of the place.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Calibri><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Calibri><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>Defining a new tag also
implies suggesting whether a symbol shall be applied (I do not think that a symbol
is appropriate here), as well as the selection of text font (@oblique-fonts I would
say), color (e.g., 7A2F18 or similar), text size, opacity (maybe 1) min zoom (10?).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Calibri><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Calibri><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>I would suggest this:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Calibri><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>
[zoom >= 10] { text-size: 10; }<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Calibri><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>
[zoom >= 11] { text-size: 12; }<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Calibri><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>
[zoom >= 12] { text-size: 12; }<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Calibri><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>
[zoom >= 13] { text-size: 12; }<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Calibri><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>
[zoom >= 14] { text-size: 12; }<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Calibri><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>
[zoom >= 15] { text-size: 15; }<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Calibri><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>
[zoom >= 16] { text-size: 18; }<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Calibri><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Calibri><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>Before evaluating an
RFQ proposal, I would appreciate some advise here.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Calibri><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Calibri><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>In case a new feature
would be needed, which would be the most appropriate name? natural=upland? Please,
suggest.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Calibri><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Calibri><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>Otherwise, would you
consider appropriate requesting to enable lines for place=isolated_dwelling,
place=hamlet or place=locality?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Calibri><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>Thanks<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>Regards<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>Ircama<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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