<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">Thanks James for the explanation, it does make sense now. I hope I wasn’t the only person confused to see that tag.. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I appreciate all the work that you’ve put into adding lane details OSM. My goal is to make lane tagging easy for everyone. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">That said, I think you might be the only person in the world tagging turn lanes with `none;something`. I checked taginfo and it seems like for value combinations like `left;none` there are around 5 in the world. Yes, that count is off because Mapbox data team deleted some of yours and they shouldn’t have, and it’s great that they apologized, but still we are talking about something that looks kind of like an error and hasn’t been discussed anywhere that I can find.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">For what it’s worth, I have also seen a few people suggest tagging like `width:lanes:start = 4|0` `width:lanes:end = 4|4` (e.g. in meters) to describe the shape of that segment of road that widens into the turn lanes. Taginfo also suggests that this is used like 10 times in the whole world, and I also haven’t found it discussed anywhere.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Maybe this is a situation where the tagging list can discuss and come to consensus and do the whole wiki proposal voting thing?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">We still have several months before the turn lane tagging will be available in iD, so there is plenty of time to work out these details. In the worst case, we just won’t support it, and instead show a ‘?’ in the interface to indicate that there is some unrecognized tag in that lane and we will leave it alone.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thanks, Bryan</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jun 10, 2016, at 10:16 PM, James Mast <<a href="mailto:rickmastfan67@hotmail.com" class="">rickmastfan67@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div id="divtagdefaultwrapper" style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: 12pt; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">I've been using the "turn:lanes:*=none;slight_right" & "slight_left;none" tags to indicate which side a new lane has been added on a highway when going from 1 to 2 lanes (sometimes "slight_left;slight_right" if the original lane is centered between the two new lanes). How else are people to properly identify which side the new lane is being added to? Take a look at this way ( <a id="LPlnk707412" href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/419799887" class="OWAAutoLink">https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/419799887</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>) and take a look at the Bing imagery and look at the 'turn:lanes:forward' tag, and you'll see how this can, and would be valid. It's allowing the router to know that a new lane is being added when combined with the next way (<a id="LPlnk170344" href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/419799886" class="OWAAutoLink">https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/419799886</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>) which has the "lanes:forward=2" tag. It also allows the routers to properly tell people to get in the left lane if just ahead, there's a left turn they need to make.<br class=""></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class=""><br class=""></div><p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class=""></p></div><hr tabindex="-1" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; display: inline-block; width: 742.828125px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class=""></span><div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""><b class="">From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tod Fitch <<a href="mailto:tod@fitchdesign.com" class="">tod@fitchdesign.com</a>><br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Friday, June 10, 2016 9:45:56 PM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tag discussion, strategy and related tools<br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Tagging] Turn Lane Tagging?</font><div class=""> </div></div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">I haven’t seen “none;slight_right” as a value and am not sure how that should look different than “slight_right” by itself. However “none” is a value listed in the wiki [1] and I use it a lot as I find multiple vertical bars hard to manually count/edit but I can see and count things like “left|none|none” easier than “left||” when editing in JOSM.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">[1] <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:turn#Turning_indications" class="">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:turn#Turning_indications</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">-Tod</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jun 10, 2016, at 6:07 PM, Bryan Housel <<a href="mailto:bryan@7thposition.com" class="">bryan@7thposition.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">Hey James,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">(Disclaimer: I work for Mapbox, but I am not part of the team that is doing the lane tagging, and can’t speak for them).</div><div class=""><br class=""><div class="">I do need to know more about your concern: Is `none` as part of a multiple turn lane option documented anywhere? </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I’m asking because we are adding turn lane tagging to iD this summer [1], so I have been thinking a lot about turn lanes, and I have read through a lot of wiki pages and discussion pages, and this is the first I’ve seen anybody using a tag like `turn:lanes:backward=none;slight_right`.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">It’s really important to me that I get this as correct as possible, because I can’t have iD overwriting somebody’s valid lane tagging. I’d like to be able to show visually what a tag like `none;slight_right` means on the ground.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thanks, Bryan</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">[1] <a href="https://www.mapbox.com/blog/osm-gsoc-id/" class="">https://www.mapbox.com/blog/osm-gsoc-id/</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jun 10, 2016, at 7:45 PM, James Mast <<a href="mailto:rickmastfan67@hotmail.com" class="">rickmastfan67@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div id="x_divtagdefaultwrapper" class="" style="font-size: 12pt; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><div class="" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;">I honestly think Mapbox needs to stop immediately editing ways that they think are invalid. I've seen several ways that I've work hard on, know are valid, and are being damaged by edits. The 'NONE' tag in turn lanes is COMPLETELY VALID!!!!</div><div class="" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"><a id="LPlnk860241" href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/rickmastfan67/diary/38833" class="x_OWAAutoLink">https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/rickmastfan67/diary/38833</a></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br class="">Tagging mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:Tagging@openstreetmap.org" class="">Tagging@openstreetmap.org</a><br class=""><a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging" class="">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging</a><br class=""></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></div><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">_______________________________________________</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Tagging mailing list</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class=""><a href="mailto:Tagging@openstreetmap.org" class="">Tagging@openstreetmap.org</a></span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class=""><a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging" class="">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging</a></span></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></body></html>