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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Many trekkers and bikers consider that the current
Mapnik style provides an unsightly rendering of mountain areas and I am with
them. Among the many aspects that would need improvement, there is a need that
notable places which are effective references in a mountainous area could not
only be shown at high zoom level (e.g., >=16 or >=17) but also at medium
zooms (e.g., >=13 or 14), in accordance with the common practice used in
standard topographic maps (e.g., 1:50000 – 1:25000 – 1:10000).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Those points typically refer to places of worship,
campaniles, crosses, towers, monuments, chalets in the mountains, shelters,
huts and also to elements that can be seen from the surrounding landscape or that
are viewpoints (e.g., places from which one can look in the distance and
by consequence that can be identified from a great distance).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt'>There are reasons for the current situation where
those places are only displayed at high zooms: one is to keep coherence with
the already well tuned rendering typically referring to populated places: when
systematically highlighting PoIs of scarcely populated places at medium zooms,
the rendering produces too much density in cities and suburbs especially at
some latitudes. Another is to try controlling as much as possible the abuse of
tagging made by mappers that sometimes are wrong or imprecise but more often
improperly privilege information basing on business interests. Also the current
description for these aspects provided within OSM wiki is not enough to define
and explain a precise method that mappers shall adopt for tagging.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt'>With this preamble, it might appear rather complex to discuss
about a proposal aiming to address a different visibility of reference elements
in scarcely populated places. Would it be possible or this will lead too far
away from the actual OSM/osm-carto implementation and trend?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt'>I would propose to try discussing this topic though some
questions.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Would you consider appropriate to define specific tags
to be used to reduce the minimum zooming level for some reference elements?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Would “landmark=yes” be appropriate? It is
not yet documented here <a
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:landmark&redirect=no">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:landmark&redirect=no</a>
but there is a discussion here <a
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Key:landmark">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Key:landmark</a>.
Is there some allowance to be used it now?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Or maybe “denotation=landmark” shall be
used, which is already ratified for trees?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Would “tourism=viewpoint” be appropriate?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Which kind of element could be a landmark?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Would you consider appropriate that also
“tourism=viewpoint” will be considered?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt'>What about elements that are both landmarks and
viewpoints? Both “denotation=landmark” and “tourism=viewpoint”
shall be used?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt'>What is actually a viewpoint in OSM? Do you consider for
instance that the churches in the above links are viewpoints themselves or just
some surrounding area close to them (so, not the churches)?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt'><a
href="http://footage.framepool.com/shotimg/qf/297459944-cortina-d'ampezzo-cappella-dolomiti-paesaggio-collinare.jpg">http://footage.framepool.com/shotimg/qf/297459944-cortina-d'ampezzo-cappella-dolomiti-paesaggio-collinare.jpg</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt'><a
href="http://www.buonviaggioitalia.it/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/2015-04-14-2629.jpg">http://www.buonviaggioitalia.it/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/2015-04-14-2629.jpg</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt'><a
href="http://www.hafling-meran2000.eu/bilder/stkathrein-meran-hafling-suedtirol.jpg">http://www.hafling-meran2000.eu/bilder/stkathrein-meran-hafling-suedtirol.jpg</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt'><a
href="http://www.golivefvg.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/milani_c1-162-2455-650x433.jpg">http://www.golivefvg.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/milani_c1-162-2455-650x433.jpg</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Would zoom=13 be the most appropriate minimum
rendering for features tagged as landmarks or viewpoints?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Alberto<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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