<html><head></head><body>It's not a question of common sense, it's a question of law... Countries and states may differ, but they will all have a default plus a way of indicating any exceptions. In OSM we tend to omit values that are default; however there is always a way to make the default explicit if one requires.<br>
This is not the place to discuss the merits of various traffic laws.<br>
//colin<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 28 June 2016 14:23:13 CEST, Greg Troxel <gdt@ir.bbn.com> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<pre class="k9mail"><br />Michael Tsang <miklcct@gmail.com> writes:<br /><br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;"> I agree on the point that mode:learner_driver=* is better, but, however, isn't <br /> it common sense that learners are not allowed on motorways? Can you give me <br /> some regions where learners are, by default, allowed on motorways?<br /></blockquote><br />I don't think it's common sense. The point is to get experience<br />driving with someone who knows in the other seat giving you advice.<br />People need to get used to being on motorways/interstates also.<br /><br />Plus, IMHO driving on motorways (Interstates) is less scary than on<br />other roads, both rural undivided highways and in cities. I find this<br />to be the case when driving in the US and also in the UK. (I'm not<br />saying that a UK rule that learners are not allowed on motorways is<br />unreasonable, just
that it doesn't follow from first principles and<br />isn't obvious from having driven there.)<br /><br />An example of a region is where drivers with a learner's permit are<br />allowed on Interstates is Massachusetts:<br /><br /> <a href="http://www.massrmv.com/LicenseandID/ClassDPermitandLicense.aspx">http://www.massrmv.com/LicenseandID/ClassDPermitandLicense.aspx</a><br /><br /> Limitations with a Class D Permit<br /><br /> If you are under 18 years of age, you may not drive between the hours of<br /> 12:00 a.m. and 5:00 a.m. unless accompanied by a parent/guardian who is<br /> duly licensed in his or her home state and has one (1) year of driving<br /> experience. The parent/guardian must occupy the seat next to you. You<br /> may not operate a vehicle outside Massachusetts if that state's laws<br /> prevent you from legally doing so.<br /><br />I suspect most other states are similar. Another high-regulation<br />state is New York, and they don't ban motorways:<br
/><br /> <a href="https://dmv.ny.gov/learner-permit-restrictions">https://dmv.ny.gov/learner-permit-restrictions</a><br /><br />but they do ban for learners specific scary parkways (trunk, not<br />motorway, due to narrow, twisty, and not really having slip roads --<br />which is why they are scary) and specific bridges. There is no<br />prohibition on learner drivers on Interstates. But there are extra<br />rules for learners in NYC, including daytime only and dual brake<br />controls.<br /><br />Basically, I thinnk the issue is that in the US, Interstates are viewed<br />as normal, rather than special, and in the UK motorways are viewed as<br />more special.<br /></pre><p style="margin-top: 2.5em; margin-bottom: 1em; border-bottom: 1px solid #000"></p><pre class="k9mail"><hr /><br />Tagging mailing list<br />Tagging@openstreetmap.org<br /><a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging</a><br
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