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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2016-09-17 20:46, Richard Fairhurst
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<pre wrap="">André Pirard wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Last point is what source:???=Michelin ??? to use to prevent a
StijnRR or like arbitrarily destructing well thought out tagging
without notifying the author. I suggest
source:highway=<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://viamichelin.be/web/Cartes-plans">https://viamichelin.be/web/Cartes-plans</a> 2016 2016.
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<pre wrap="">No, you must not copy from copyrighted maps, which includes Michelin's.
Please confirm that you have not added, and are not going to add, any data
(including classification judgements) from Michelin maps, otherwise I guess
we'll have to ask the Data Working Group to suspend your OSM account and
revert your edits.
Richard
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Of course not, I did not use that Michelin map as a source and I
won't.<br>
It would be stupid because it's coarse compared to other allowed
sources.<br>
And everything of it and much more is in OSM already.<br>
Even a road classification does not interestingly exist in it (1).<br>
This Subject: and suggested source= are inappropriate and
misleading.<br>
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The only thing I did is to notice that Michelin runs the N3 in red
from Ans to La Dérivation, compare it to my turbopass map, discover
that OSM has a gap in this primary and post the URLs of a few
streets containing ref=N3 and highway=secondary. You have read
that, haven't you, I posted their URLs in this thread.<br>
Now if I hope that you won't say that this is copying from Michelin
and that you would send to prison someone who would correct those
mistakes and that you would put the mistakes back in OSM.<br>
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I have been <b>extremely</b> shocked by what you said after my
attempt to help.<br>
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Beside mapping the boundaries of South Belgium and other major
works, I have done excellent mapping, I very often correct a huge
number of houses and roads, almost all, misplaced by 3-5-+ meters, I
help mappers, I even help JOSM and others to improve their software
for a better OSM.<br>
Revert my edits? <br>
Remove the Walloon borders? Remove the other many things? Remove my
humanitarian tagging? Put houses and roads back to the wrong
place? etc...<br>
Very rarely a word of thanks, except Marc in this thread, close
friends, some developers and the humanitarians.<br>
Always reproaches and destruction.<br>
Even the DWG vandals messed up the marvelous job of the boundaries
of Wallonia.<br>
<br>
That total lack of consideration for what I'm doing made me decide
to stop contributing to OSM.<br>
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(1) On that map, Michelin unhelpfully draws the equivalents of both
OSM's secondary and tertiary in yellow.<br>
Tertiary can't be distinguished from secondary.<br>
The only thing that can be done with it is to build a route to
compare with an OSM and so to have hints to modify the OSM route.<br>
This said, I tried on Michelin the route Beaufays-Oupeye that I know
well.<br>
Definitely, their route #2 27 km via E25 is much better than their
recommended #1 26 km via E40.<br>
And within #2, Bd de Douai -> Poincaré is better than quai des
Ardennes, it is even the signposted route!<br>
So, Michelin is not even always a good adviser!<br>
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