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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 23-Sep-16 07:09 AM, Kevin Kenny
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<div>Oops - sent originally from wrong mailbox:<br>
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The Titanic musicians' cenotaph in Southhampton is a plaque
set in a wall, but even it is made to look like a tomb set
in the same wall.<br>
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href="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e3/RMS_Titanic_Musician%27s_Memorial,_Southampton.jpg">https://upload.wikimedia.org/<wbr>wikipedia/commons/e/e3/RMS_<wbr>Titanic_Musician's_Memorial,_<wbr>Southampton.jpg</a><br>
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The Archibald Butt cenotaph in Arlington is an empty grave,
rather than an empty tomb:<br>
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href="http://www.glts.org/memorials/dc/images/107_0710.jpg">http://www.glts.org/memorials/<wbr>dc/images/107_0710.jpg</a><br>
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<div>The Congressional Cemetery in Washington has monuments to
171 members of the U.S. Congress who died in office. They're
all called 'cenotaphs' in an abuse of terminology, since
somewhere between fifty and eighty of them mark actual burial
places. (The remainder truly are cenotaphs to individuals
whose remains are interred elsewhere.) The Congressional ones
from 1816 to 1876 are built to a standard design by Benjamin
Latrobe.<br>
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<a moz-do-not-send="true" target="_blank"
href="https://www.nps.gov/nr/travel/national_cemeteries/photos/list_of-sites2/054_Cenotaphs.jpg">https://www.nps.gov/nr/travel/<wbr>national_cemeteries/photos/<wbr>list_of-sites2/054_Cenotaphs.<wbr>jpg</a><br>
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href="http://www.congressionalcemetery.org/pdf/Walking-Tours/Cenotaphs.pdf">http://www.<wbr>congressionalcemetery.org/pdf/<wbr>Walking-Tours/Cenotaphs.pdf</a><br>
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Generally, I would propose tagging anything as a 'cenotaph' only
if it was built intending that it should be venerated as a
surrogate for the final resting place of some person or persons
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 11:27 AM,
Martin Koppenhoefer <span dir="ltr"><<a
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Warin <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">Some
resemble a tomb, some don't .... some are
statues, some are plaques, some are columns.<br>
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Wikipedia has quite a few photos of some ...<br>
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href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cenotaph"
target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/<wbr>Cenotaph</a><br>
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I suppose it depend on what you think a tomb
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</span>yes, I suppose so as well. To me, all of these
Cenotaphs that WP has an image for are looking like
tombs. A "plaque" or "statue" are no cenotaphs, do you
have an example for one of these?<br>
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Given the variety of things that are tombs .. it is hard to get an
architecture that is significantly different for a cenotaph. Both
are for remembrance of the deceased so has similar functions so
there form is similar too. <br>
The difference is the location of the deceased remains. If
co-located then it is a tomb/grave. If the locations are different
then it is a cenotaph. <br>
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The OSM tagging problem maybe using the tag 'historic=' for a
cenotaph where it may not be regarded as 'historic'? Is this the
source of this discussion? <br>
All the cenotaphs I know of are 'historic' but I can see that there
maybe others that are viewed as not 'historic'. <br>
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