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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 01-Nov-16 12:14 PM, wille wrote:<br>
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I saw the reference to service=dealer;repair;tyres;parts in
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Dave, I fully agree with your opinion.<br>
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service tag is "overused for highways", whatever
that means, it is still a tag with a clear
meaning and some historical usage. There
currently are about 10K uses of
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="service:bicycle:xx">service:bicycle:xx</a> in Taginfo (xx=:repairs,
:retail, and :pump) so it makes sense to expand
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There is also the unfortunate use of the 'sale' tag .. over 1,000
uses ..<br>
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<div>We had a discussion concerning "sells" on
this list a while ago IIRC and it was dealing
with supermarkets and what they sell, e.g.,
sells=eggs, sells=toiletries, etc. Someone was
proposing that OSM could include the entire
inventory of such shops, which is IMO clearly
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I think started it. I was not interested in supermarkets. I was
interested in detail what a particular shop sold, in particular
smaller shops. For instance a motorcycle shop is usually a
particular brand, say Harley Davidson, someone getting something for
their Yamaha would be best not using OSM to find it. Then you get to
multiple brand shops, and one specialising within those brands and
so on. Others raised supermarkets ... not me. I simply wanted a
scheme applicable;e to all shops.. so that separate schemes would
not spring up different for each shop type. <br>
There will never be a way of stopping someone entering stuff into
OSM that another will consider 'beyond the scope'. <br>
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<div>As for the question posed by Martin
regarding a shop=car with a tag of
service=parts, "What does it mean if a
shop=car has service=parts attached? Is it
selling car parts?" Yes, it means that a car
shop selling cars _also_ sells car parts.
The Wiki says that if a shop sells only
parts, to use the shop=car_parts tag.<br>
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<div>I don't think this present discussion
needs to apply to _all_ shops, as Warin
suggests, but only to the particular top
level tags of shop=car, shop_bicycle, and
shop=motorcycle for which some sort of
expanded tagging scheme regarding the
services they offer would be very welcome.<br>
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I'm not against the "sells" tag but I
can't find anything about it in the Wiki
and the most used tag in Taginfo is
sells:tobacco with 16 instances. All the
rest have only one instance. So, how
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Nothing in the wiki about sale either .<br>
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I don't see why a scheme cannot be done that would be suitable for
all kinds of shops. <br>
Not that I personally would apply it to all kinds .. but it should
be applicable to the vast majority, and given OSM usage cannot be
limited to a single or a limited number of shops. <br>
Different schemes for each shop type is a waste everyone's of time.
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For instance;<br>
motorcycle page
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dmotorcycle">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dmotorcycle</a> for sells
spare parts <span style="background:#EEF;white-space:nowrap"><a
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:parts&action=edit&redlink=1"
class="new" title="Key:parts (page does not exist)">parts</a>=yes/brand/oldtimer/no/.</span><br>
car <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dcar">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dcar</a> for sells
spare parts <span style="background:#EEF;white-space:nowrap"><a
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:service"
title="Key:service">service</a>=parts<br>
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Nothing for spare parts in computer nor electronic shops .. they
will probably develop there own unique scheme. Madness. <br>
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Il giorno 31 ott 2016, alle
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<div>The same 'pattern'
should be used for all
shops. <br>
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<div>like <a
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<div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="gmail-m_-4398966368160614167m_8485096777860258573m_2757902076229642565m_8754604170728382985moz-txt-link-freetext">service:harddrives=yes;dealer;<wbr>defragmentation</a>?</div>
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Or <a
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class="gmail-m_-4398966368160614167m_8485096777860258573m_2757902076229642565m_8754604170728382985moz-txt-link-freetext">service:shoes:high_heels=repai<wbr>r</a>?
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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</span> Service .. in this
instance I would take it as a
physical activity that may include
replacement of parts such as ;<br>
maintenance (e.g. regular service
of a car - oil change etc) <br>
repair (e.g. replacing a zipper on
a jacket)<br>
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Parts .. I would see as a sells
thing ... <br>
Most English speakers would never
consider 'wine bottle service' ,
that is a selling activity (unless
your a glass blower reforming a
broken bottle). <br>
Again this should be common for
all shops, and I believe I have
had this discussion on 'sells'
here .. only to have it rejected
as 'not for OSM' and 'hard to
maintain' etc. <br>
Mappers are tagging this
information into the data base ..
in any fashion .. and that leads
to a mess. <br>
If this tagging group wants to
provide guidance on sensible
tagging then suggest better
methods! <br>
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