<html><head></head><body>@Tijmen, IMHO there is very little chance to convince people to change the way we tag highways because of buses using them or not. <br>
Yves <br><br><div class="gmail_quote">Le 3 novembre 2016 09:01:51 GMT+01:00, althio <althio.forum@gmail.com> a écrit :<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<pre class="k9mail">My 2 cents:<br /><br />I am very much in favour of b) highway=* (all the range from motorway,<br />link, prim./sec./tert. to service) + access/vehicle=no and<br />bus/psv=yes/designated.<br /><br />Hence:<br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;"> I propose expanding the highway=service to roads that are for one very specific, non-general-public use, and the addition of service=bus for roads that are dedicated to buses<br /></blockquote>-1, too different from existing definition and global usage of highway=service<br /><br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;"> I'm proposing to formalize (by documenting on the wiki) a practice that is already widespread, namely to tag busways as highway=service.<br /></blockquote>-1, some of them are possibly properly tagged as highway=service, that<br />is not the only
case in my opinion.<br /><br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;"> I think you should consider the access rights (access=no, bus=yes) and the road classification (highway=service/unclassified) as two separate things.<br /> Ask yourself what kind of highway-tag you would use, if the road was not limited to buses only.<br /></blockquote>+1, use meaningful tag for level of this road (for the bus in overall<br />road network)<br /><br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;"> I look at service highways as most general highways. All highways are service highways, but residential highways are a special type, motorways are another special type and so on.<br /> So anything that is a highway but is none of these special types, then it's a service.<br /></blockquote>-1, not my understanding<br /><br />-- althio<br /><br /><br />On 2
November 2016 at 07:23, Tijmen Stam <mailinglists@iivq.net> wrote:<br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;"> In the local Dutch forum there was a discussion on how to tag what I call<br /> busways*.<br /><br /> a) as highway=service<br /> with access=no and bus=yes (or psv=yes)<br /> e.g. <a href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/364983960">http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/364983960</a><br /><br /> b) as another highway type, such as highway=unclassified in cities and the<br /> country, or highway=motorway_link when it is e.g. a highway ramp.<br /> e.g. <a href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/7391275">http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/7391275</a> and<br /> <a href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/24297125">http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/24297125</a><br /><br /> There are examples of both in the Netherlands. While the majority of busways<br /> is tagged as highway=service, there are some
people who feel very strongly<br /> against it.<br /><br /> While I personally prefer the highway=service, the description of<br /> highway=service <<a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dservice">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dservice</a>><br /> doesn't fit it really well: "Generally for access to a building, service<br /> station, beach, campsite, industrial estate, business park, etc. This is<br /> also commonly used for access to parking, driveways, and alleys."<br /><br /> However, unclassified (the only other possible highway tag if it's not a<br /> _link) "doesn't feel right" to me.<br /><br /> Looking at taginfo, the undocumented service=bus has 4462 uses, and is in<br /> use globally: <a href="https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/?key=service&value=bus">https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/?key=service&value=bus</a>.<br /> service=busway adds another 1400-ish.<br /><br /> I propose expanding the highway=service to
roads that are for one very<br /> specific, non-general-public use, and the addition of service=bus for roads<br /> that are dedicated to buses, with an implied access=no and bus=yes tag.<br /><br /> Any ideas? Suggestions?<br /><br /> Tijmen / IIVQ<br /><br /><br /> * With busways I mean separate roads that are legally (and sometimes by use<br /> of a bollard or lift gate also practically) only accessible for buses. This<br /> can be a short connection between two roads, but also a mayor stand-alone<br /> road netword, e.g. <<a href="http://www.fransmensonides.nl/foto/tangent04.jpg">http://www.fransmensonides.nl/foto/tangent04.jpg</a>>. I am<br /> _not_ talking about bus lanes nor about guided busways.<br /><br /><hr /><br /> Tagging mailing list<br /> Tagging@openstreetmap.org<br /> <a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging</a><br /></blockquote><br /><hr /><br />Tagging mailing list<br
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