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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2016-11-16 14:08, André Pirard
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<div class="gmail_quote">2016-11-16 2:04 GMT+01:00 Nelson A.
de Oliveira <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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gmail-m_-2774685117697793638gmail-m1586aab527a23c95">Since
they can't find another tag to indicate those
"dangerous"<br>
places, they argue that access=destination is valid for
this case.<br>
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Other group (including me) find that this is wrong: we
should not tag<br>
streets considered dangerous in OSM (specially when
"dangerous" is<br>
subjective).<br>
We also think that access=destination is being wrongly
used for this.<br>
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Since we can't reach a consensus on this, we would like
to hear some<br>
opinions and suggestions on how to handle such problem,
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The "danger" you're talking about is otherwise called a
"hazard".<br>
I have mentioned several times that a <a
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href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/hazard"
title="Proposed features/hazard">Proposed features/<span
class="searchmatch">hazard</span></a> exists that, IMHO,
is very well done. But OSM doesn't seem to care about hazards,
especially children related, except you and I and a few.<br>
That page needs some care, but, as things go, it can be
removed in secret any time like <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relations/Proposed/Defaults"
title="Relations/Proposed/Defaults">Relations/Proposed/<span
class="searchmatch">Defaults</span></a> which, maybe not
in that form, is badly needed because it would put default
values inside the OSM database instead of scattered
everywhere.<br>
One should not remove a badly needed proposition, but mark it
"don't use", "unsuitable', "to be reworked" ...<br>
I would have liked to tackle the job but I've had too many
disappointments from the answers on these lists and my time is
used by other hobbies.<br>
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As to "access=destination", previous answers said alright that
danger is not a legal matter.<br>
I personally don't think of that as legality but as
instructions for routing, whether and how a GPS can use that
road.<br>
access=* shouldn't be mixed with other considerations like it
was done with access=dedicated.<br>
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Oops, I thought of saying but I forgot, that many non-access tags,
especially hazard, can be used for routers to prefer one route over
the other. Unfortunately, supporting dangers to be killed by
robbers or so would need a "fearful" option for the mode of
transportation.<br>
Don't laugh! In my mind an itinerary could me made of different
segments using different modes. And even with a single mode, I've
never seen a "crow" vehicle yielding an "as the crows fly" itinerary
which is that of a plane or of an orienteering adept, not counting
crows themselves.<br>
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<div class="gmail_extra"> Only the length of the discussions it
has generated is a proof of that. Normal access=* rules are
very clear cut. But on the wiki, you can read that
access=dedicated is meaningless in Belgium and on Belgian
pages, the instructions are to use it. Go figure.<br>
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So, go and finalize <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/hazard"
title="Proposed features/hazard">Proposed features/<span
class="searchmatch">hazard</span></a>, making sure they
include what you think of.<br>
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Cheers <br>
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