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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2016-11-16 14:08, André Pirard
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          <div class="gmail_quote">2016-11-16 2:04 GMT+01:00 Nelson A.
            de Oliveira <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                gmail-m_-2774685117697793638gmail-m1586aab527a23c95">Since

                they can't find another tag to indicate those
                "dangerous"<br>
                places, they argue that access=destination is valid for
                this case.<br>
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                Other group (including me) find that this is wrong: we
                should not tag<br>
                streets considered dangerous in OSM (specially when
                "dangerous" is<br>
                subjective).<br>
                We also think that access=destination is being wrongly
                used for this.<br>
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                Since we can't reach a consensus on this, we would like
                to hear some<br>
                opinions and suggestions on how to handle such problem,
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          The "danger" you're talking about is otherwise called a
          "hazard".<br>
          I have mentioned several times that a  <a
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            href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/hazard"
            title="Proposed features/hazard">Proposed features/<span
              class="searchmatch">hazard</span></a>  exists that, IMHO,
          is very well done. But OSM doesn't seem to care about hazards,
          especially children related, except you and I and a few.<br>
          That page needs some care, but, as things go, it can be
          removed in secret any time like  <a moz-do-not-send="true"
            href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relations/Proposed/Defaults"
            title="Relations/Proposed/Defaults">Relations/Proposed/<span
              class="searchmatch">Defaults</span></a>  which,  maybe not
          in that form, is badly needed because it would put default
          values inside the OSM database instead of scattered
          everywhere.<br>
          One should not remove a badly needed proposition, but mark it
          "don't use", "unsuitable', "to be reworked" ...<br>
          I would have liked to tackle the job but I've had too many
          disappointments from the answers on these lists and my time is
          used by other hobbies.<br>
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          As to "access=destination", previous answers said alright that
          danger is not a legal matter.<br>
          I personally don't think of that as legality but as
          instructions for routing, whether and how a GPS can use that
          road.<br>
          access=* shouldn't be mixed with other considerations like it
          was done with access=dedicated.<br>
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    Oops, I thought of saying but I forgot, that many non-access tags,
    especially hazard, can be used for routers to prefer one route over
    the other.  Unfortunately, supporting dangers to be killed by
    robbers or so would need a "fearful" option for the mode of
    transportation.<br>
    Don't laugh!  In my mind an itinerary could me made of different
    segments using different modes.  And even with a single mode, I've
    never seen a "crow" vehicle yielding an "as the crows fly" itinerary
    which is that of a plane or of an orienteering adept, not counting
    crows themselves.<br>
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        <div class="gmail_extra"> Only the length of the discussions it
          has generated is a proof of that.  Normal access=* rules are
          very clear cut.  But on the wiki, you can read that
          access=dedicated is meaningless in Belgium and on Belgian
          pages, the instructions are to use it.  Go figure.<br>
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          So, go and finalize  <a moz-do-not-send="true"
            href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/hazard"
            title="Proposed features/hazard">Proposed features/<span
              class="searchmatch">hazard</span></a>, making sure they
          include what you think of.<br>
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          Cheers <br>
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                <td>André.</td>
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