<div dir="ltr"><div><div>Hi!<br><br></div><div>I'm from Spain and I found surprising the fact that in the wiki there are an exception in the bar tag[0] about the Mediterranean ones:<br></div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">In Mediterranean countries, the word "bar" has a different meaning
(although this doesn't necessarily mean the tag should be applied
differently). Here a bar is integral part of the lifestyle. You go there
in the morning to have breakfast, at lunch they serve simple meals, all
day long (if not closed after lunch) people use them to get a quick
coffee and in the evening it's a meeting place to get an aperitif before
dinner. Some are open in the evening and night though mostly they close
in the evening, some also sell tobacco, sweets and stamps. Unlike a pub
this kind of bar is open for breakfast and coffee plays a way bigger
role than beer.
</blockquote><br></div>Why this exception? I think it comes from a misunderstanding,in Spain we use the word "<i>bar</i>" for a kind of establishment different that English bars.<br><br>Also this exception makes impossible to differentiate real amenity=bar (in the English sense[1]) from Spanish <i>"bares</i>", that have different characteristics.<br><br>Also, even if, as the wiki says, "coffee plays a way bigger
role than beer" they look to me more like English pubs[2] but whit wider opening hours: <br><div><br><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote">Establishment that sells alcoholic drinks that can be consumed on the
premises. Pubs commonly sell food which also can be eaten on the
premises. They are characterised by a traditional appearance and a
relaxed atmosphere. You can usually sit down and there is usually no
loud music to disturb conversation.</blockquote><div><br></div><div>That looks like the definition of a Spanish "<i>bar</i>", why not use the tag that describe that concept, amenity=pub.<br><br></div><div>That exception looks like it was written many years ago by user dieterdreist[3] but I don't know if it was discussed before or after the writing in the wiki.<br></div><div><br></div><div>I had been mapping the Spanish establishments that serve alcoholic drinks as well as food (an also coffee) with a relaxed atmosphere without loud music as amenity=pub even if the word doesn't "match" with the name of the establishment, for example "Bar Pepe". Was that wrong?<br></div><div><br>Most of the Spanish community map Spanish "<i>bar</i>" as amenity=pub but some of them got confused by the false-friend word.<br></div><div><br></div><div>So I think that this exception only cause errors in the data and misunderstandings: <br>Should it be removed and a sentence written in the wiki saying that Mediterranean "bar" should be tagged as amenity=pub? <br><br><br><br></div><br>[0]: <a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dbar">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dbar</a><br><br>[1]: In Spain we have also establishments like those the wiki[0] says "They are characterised by a noisy and vibrant atmosphere, similar to a
party. They usually do not sell food to be eaten as a meal. The music is
usually loud and you often have to stand. Sometimes it has a
dancefloor, but it's not the main attraction". <br><br>[2]: <a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dpub">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dpub</a><br><br>[3]: <a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag%3Aamenity%3Dbar&type=revision&diff=331228&oldid=330911">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag%3Aamenity%3Dbar&type=revision&diff=331228&oldid=330911</a><br> <div><div><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div>Best regards,<br> Alejandro Suárez</div></div></div></div>
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