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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 16-Jan-17 07:36 PM, Martin
Koppenhoefer wrote:<br>
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On 15 Jan 2017, at 22:26, Warin <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:61sundowner@gmail.com">61sundowner@gmail.com</a>>
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<div>"Unprocessed wood"? What does that mean? Trees or parts of
trees cut down ... with nothing else done to them? Around we
go...
Do you have a better definition that suits this application? </div>
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<div>I'd say this disambiguation page of wp should very likely be
corrected because it not only contradicts the dictionary
definition but also wp owns definition that is given on the
article page linked there, where it states in the first
paragraph: "<span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255,
0);"><b style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px;
line-height: inherit; vertical-align: baseline;
background-image: none; -webkit-touch-callout: none
!important;">Lumber</b> (American English;<sup
id="cite_ref-1" class="reference" style="margin: 0px;
padding: 0px; border: 0px; line-height: 1; background-image:
none; -webkit-touch-callout: none !important;"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://localhost:50279/076DAA6E-CE2E-4453-95C4-E91AEC86288E/fileProxy/8742761706900465842-index.html#cite_note-1"
style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; font-style:
inherit; font-variant-caps: inherit; line-height: inherit;
vertical-align: baseline; background-image: none;
text-decoration: none; -webkit-touch-callout: none
!important;">[1]</a></sup>used only in North America), or <b
style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; line-height:
inherit; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: none;
-webkit-touch-callout: none !important;">timber</b>(used in
the rest of the English speaking world<sup id="cite_ref-2"
class="reference" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border:
0px; line-height: 1; background-image: none;
-webkit-touch-callout: none !important;"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://localhost:50279/076DAA6E-CE2E-4453-95C4-E91AEC86288E/fileProxy/8742761706900465842-index.html#cite_note-2"
style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; font-style:
inherit; font-variant-caps: inherit; line-height: inherit;
vertical-align: baseline; background-image: none;
text-decoration: none; -webkit-touch-callout: none
!important;">[2]</a></sup>) is wood that has been
processed into <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://localhost:50279/wiki/Beam_%28structure%29"
title="Beam (structure)" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;
border: 0px; line-height: inherit; vertical-align: baseline;
background-image: none; text-decoration: none;
-webkit-touch-callout: none !important;">beams</a> and
planks, a stage in the process of <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://localhost:50279/wiki/Wood_production"
title="Wood production" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;
border: 0px; line-height: inherit; vertical-align: baseline;
background-image: none; text-decoration: none;
-webkit-touch-callout: none !important;">wood production</a>.
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That is ONE definition of timber. <br>
There are many different definitions of timber depending on the use
you want to put the word to, some of these definition cannot be used
for other timber things. <br>
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Some timber definitions;<br>
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1) <span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><span
style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">wood that has
been processed into beams and planks, a stage in the process of
wood production. <br>
</span>2) </span><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255,
255, 0);">wood that has been processed into wood chips, a stage in
the process of wood production. </span><br>
<span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">3) wood that
has been processed into plywood, a stage in the process of wood
production. <br>
4) as warning yell given before a tree is felled. </span><span
style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><span
style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br>
5) the trees themselves. </span></span><span
style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><span
style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><span
style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><span
style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br>
6) personal character or quality. <br>
7) a single beam or or piece of wood, or capable of forming,
part of a structure<br>
8) (in a ships frame) one of the curved pieces of wood which
springs upwards and outwards from the keel, a rib<br>
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<div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Disclaimer:
I am not a native English speaker and have to resort to
dictionaries. <br>
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I resort to the dictionary to clarify what I think something means,
usually fuzzy, to a more precise definition and/or a better word
combination than I can derive in my head. <br>
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As a native English speaker I (and others in my experience) use
'timber' to name felled trees, sitting on the ground, coming out of
the forest, or waiting for processing in some yard. It is one
meaning, definition of the word timber. <br>
I also use the word to describe other things too, hence the need for
a description. <br>
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A terrible example of more than one defintion?<br>
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The word 'right' has at least two basic definitions;<br>
1) correct<br>
2) the side of a person or thing that when faced north is to the
east (I got some of this out of my dictionary .. could not think of
a good description)<br>
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To insist that one definition needs to be corrected or removed
...would be a denial of common use. <br>
Same thing for 'timber' definitions. <br>
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The consumer selects the definition of the word to suit the context,
by adding a description on the OSMwiki page it should narrow the
selection to the one intended, hopefully. <br>
Where the definition is missing or fuzzy the consumers can deviate
from what was intended, hence the need for a 'good' definition. <br>
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The definition fro the OSM wikipage is for landuse=forest,
produce=timber ... (not cannot use produce=wood as that is already
in use and for areas that may have no produce output). <br>
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The basic thing that this definition needs to address is <br>
What is the best definition of the 'a forest that produces timber'
(not product timber)? <br>
The defintion needs to remove paper, processed wood (plywood, beams
for construction) as these do not come out of the forest itself -
they come out of a mill, they are products .. not produce in my
mind. <br>
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