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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 13-Feb-17 06:09 PM, François Lacombe
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                                    <div>Hi,<br>
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                                    Thank you Jherome for this
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                                  No objection against mixing poles and
                                  tower on any lines.<br>
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                                Regarding the phase=2 discussion,
                                phases=* have a clear definition.<br>
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                              Occidental countries usualy have 3-phases
                              power grids, but sometimes, 2 phases lines
                              are used to feed train traction
                              substations or heavy industries. It's not
                              about a single phase line with neutral
                              pole + 1 live cable, it's 2 live cables
                              often taken from 3-phases substation or
                              line.<br>
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    In Australia;<br>
    Heavy industry gets 3 phases. <br>
    A few houses may get 2 phases if their load is very large .. but it
    is unusual and a safety concern, no single room should have more
    than one phase. <br>
    Even fewer houses get 3 phase .. usually where the workshop has a
    requirement for a 3 phase motor/furnace.  <br>
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                          <div>According to the picture used, this is
                            the correct value : the transformer has 2
                            cables from a 3-phases line (without neutral
                            pole) connected to its primary side.<br>
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                          Furthermore, I'm wondering what's the best
                          tagging regarding transformers or switches
                          installed on top of power poles/towers :<br>
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                        power=pole<br>
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                      transformer=distribution<br>
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                    voltage=...<br>
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                  phases=...<br>
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              power=pole<br>
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            transformer=distribution<br>
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          transformer:phases=...<br>
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        transformer:voltage=...<br>
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                                <div>Looking forward to your comments<br>
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    Transformers will have an input voltage and an output voltage,
    usually these voltages are different. <br>
    Most of the time these voltages will be on the lines connected to
    the transformer (and the pole) and would be redundant. <br>
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    Switches ... usually used for isolation. <br>
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                                <div>All the best<br>
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            <div dir="ltr"><b>François Lacombe</b><br>
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              fl dot infosreseaux At gmail dot com<br>
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                href="http://www.twitter.com/InfosReseaux"
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        <div class="gmail_quote">2017-02-13 1:39 GMT+01:00 Tristan
          Anderson <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:andersontristan@hotmail.com" target="_blank">andersontristan@hotmail.com</a>></span>:<br>
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                <p>There's an intersting discussion about this here:</p>
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                    href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:power%3Dtransformer"
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                <p>Here it is suggested that split single-phase power be
                  tagged as phases=2.  I disagree with this, and instead
                  advocate tagging it as phases=1 voltage=240.  In North
                  America at least, this implies split single-phase
                  power.  The tag phases=2 should be reserved for the
                  rare instances (maybe not so rare in some parts of the
                  world?) where actual two-phase power is present.</p>
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                <p>Either way, this needs to be standardized and
                  whatever decision we come to needs to be made clear on
                  the wiki pages for power=transformer and the new power
                  pole extension proposal.</p>
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                      face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000"><b>From:</b>
                      Kevin Kenny <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:kevin.b.kenny%2Bosm@gmail.com"
                        target="_blank">kevin.b.kenny+osm@gmail.com</a>><br>
                      <b>Sent:</b> February 12, 2017 7:14 PM<span
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                        <b>To:</b> Tag discussion, strategy and related
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                        <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal -
                        RFC - Power pole extension</span></font>
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                        <div dir="ltr">I think I've seen two-phase power
                          once, in a commercial building in
                          Philadelphia, built around 1905. All the
                          high-power uses (HVAC, mostly) in the building
                          were actually driven off 208 or 480 volt
                          three-phase, provided by phase-converting
                          transformers and switch gear. There were a
                          handful 240-volt circuits that were stepped
                          down (or tapped?) from the 480, and a lot of
                          the lighting was run off the 277-volt
                          phase-to-neutral of the 480 circuits. The
                          building electricians regarded the two-phase
                          four-wire power as a damned nuisance.
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                            <div>Two-phase is surely uncommon in the US,
                              while split-single-phase is ubiquitous.</div>
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                          <div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Feb 12, 2017
                            at 6:41 PM, Mike Thompson <span dir="ltr">
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                                  <div class="gmail_quote"><span>On Sun,
                                      Feb 12, 2017 at 4:34 PM, Warin <span
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                                              13-Feb-17 10:25 AM,
                                              Tristan Anderson wrote:<br>
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                                                <p>If two-phase power
                                                  isn't currently in use
                                                  anywhere, it simply
                                                  means we won't see any
                                                  instances of the tag
                                                  phases=2, just like
                                                  how we'll never see
                                                  phases=17.  It doesn't
                                                  make anything
                                                  fundamentally wrong
                                                  with the tagging
                                                  scheme.  I believe
                                                  this is a good
                                                  proposal that should
                                                  be voted on.</p>
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                                          <p><font face="Times New
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                                              will need to be very
                                              careful wording of
                                              phases=2 to avoid American
                                              mappers misusing this tag
                                              for 240v
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                                              single phase. </font></p>
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                                    <div>That is my concern. This is a
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                                              there will be instances of
                                              phase=2 occurring in the
                                              USA, possibly many
                                              instances.<br>
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                                    <div>Do you mean instances of the
                                      tag phase=2, or actual two phase
                                      power?</div>
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    <pre>Instance of the tag phase=2 misused.</pre>
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