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<p>I think I see what the problem is and correct me if I'm wrong. Under the current tagging scheme the only way to tag a road that prohibits Kraftwagen would be something like...</p>
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<p>bus=no</p>
<p>goods=no</p>
<p>hgv=no</p>
<p>moped=yes</p>
<p>motorcar=no</p>
<p>motorcycle=yes</p>
<p> ...and probably several others</p>
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<p>Even though this situation is unheard of in North America and the UK, it is common enough in Germany that there should be a way to streamline it, something along the lines of double_track=no, or, if there isn't a suitable English translation, kraftwagen=no.
I would agree that <span style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", NotoColorEmoji, "Segoe UI Symbol", "Android Emoji", EmojiSymbols; font-size: 16px;">Personenkraftwagen translates perfectly into motorcar
in the OSM sense of the word.</span></p>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000" style="font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b> Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdreist@gmail.com><br>
<b>Sent:</b> February 18, 2017 8:26 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Tag discussion, strategy and related tools<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tagging] access: motorcar and goods, how to read the hierarchy</font>
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On 18 Feb 2017, at 22:36, Tristan Anderson <<a href="mailto:andersontristan@hotmail.com">andersontristan@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div>I don't see anything wrong with the hierarchy. It was mentioned that there are signs in Germany that forbid motorcars to pass. Are you sure that these signs aren't prohibiting all vehicles from passing? This may be the case even if there's a picture
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<div>in Germany the sign with the car on it is about "Kraftwagen" which includes besides pkw (cars) also buses and hgv, but it doesn't include motorbikes (Kraftrad), typically you'll see a sign which forbids entry for both these classes: <a href="https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bildtafel_der_Verkehrszeichen_in_der_Bundesrepublik_Deutschland_seit_2013#/media/Datei%3AZeichen_260_-_Verbot_für_Krafträder_und_Mofas_und_sonstige_mehrspurige_Kraftfahrzeuge%2C_StVO_1992.svg">https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bildtafel_der_Verkehrszeichen_in_der_Bundesrepublik_Deutschland_seit_2013#/media/Datei%3AZeichen_260_-_Verbot_für_Krafträder_und_Mofas_und_sonstige_mehrspurige_Kraftfahrzeuge%2C_StVO_1992.svg</a></div>
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<div>there's no class for "Kraftwagen" in osm if motorcar is about cars (Personenkraftwagen,
<span style="">or is that passenger car?</span>): <a href="https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personenkraftwagen">https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personenkraftwagen</a></div>
<div>but I'm not sure about the corresponding term because you can't really rely on wikipedia interlinking here, at least the italian article should be linked to Personenkraftwagen, not to automobile as it is now: <a href="https://it.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autovettura">https://it.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autovettura</a></div>
<div>and likely the English one as well. <a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Car">https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Car</a></div>
<div>but the English one is not clear in any way, anyway.</div>
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<div>Apparently the uk doesn't have a traffic sign restricting the access just for cars:</div>
<div><a href="https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/traffic-signs">https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/traffic-signs</a></div>
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<div>cheers,</div>
<div>Martin </div>
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