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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 07/03/17 20:58, Thilo Haug wrote:<br>
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<p>I'm not really sure about which issue you talk in the 2nd part
of your message "not actual rules",<br>
do you refer to my entry in the proposal about a "code of
conduct" ? .......<br>
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Thilo, what I was suggesting is that you need to receive the list
messages, read them, understand the ideas behind them. That cannot
happen if you try to block all messages other than your own topic
(or unsubscribe). Or think of them as spam.<br>
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<p>"own data, as an overlay" doesn't make sense to me in this
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OK, then thats not a suitable solution for you.<br>
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<p>Didn't understand what you mean with "digest approach" ?</p>
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I thought you mentioned getting the list communications via digest
instead of directly receiving what you call spam. If not, sorry for
the distraction.<br>
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David<br>
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<p>Cheers,<br>
Thilo<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 07.03.2017 um 04:15 schrieb David
Bannon:<br>
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On 07/03/17 04:55, Thilo Haug wrote:<br>
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<p>I (accidentally) unsubscribed because of the "spam" coming
in,<br>
means I didn't get just messages regarding the topic.<br>
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Thilo, perhaps thats the underlying problem here ? You read the
rules on the wiki, complied with what you understood and now, I
guess feel as if you are being treated a bit unfairly ?
However, I doubt that any proposal has succeeded where the
proposer has not been a member of this list, been actively
reading the messages at least and probably been contributing as
well.<br>
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The truth is that not all the "rules" are on the wiki, there is
a huge quantity of community knowledge, not actual rules, and
much of it is accessible via this list. We have a large number
of very experienced database, rendering, mapping, cultural
experts who live here (no, I'm not one!). They comment on a
proposal and help a proposal comply with the OSM culture. Their
"rules" are not written down as the document would run to 100's
pages and we'd never agree on the content. Written rules have to
cover every possible situation. Too hard.<br>
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This list is very welcoming, always open to new ideas and not,
in any way, locked into particular policies. Within the list you
will find widely differing views but always respect for others.
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To solve your problem Thilo, you could do a number of things.
Firstly, tags in OSM do not need be approved. I, personally
don't recommend unapproved tags but lots will disagree with me.
Alternatively, its relatively easy to put your own data, as an
overlay, onto an OSM map. Keep you data privately or put it into
one of the public POI databases. But really, I strongly
recommend you keep trying as you are, refine and improve your
proposal with the help of the mailing list, understand why OSM
"rules" are what they are. You can then make a good tag, one
that can be used around the world and rendered on lots of maps.<br>
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By the way, I would not recommend the digest approach, I found
it harder to assign time to. Digest users, when replying, often
seem to forget to change the message title and are not always
taken seriously :-)<br>
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David <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 06.03.2017 um 18:09 schrieb
Martin Koppenhoefer:<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2017-03-06 17:46 GMT+01:00
Michael Reichert <span dir="ltr"><<a
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<div id=":1jx" class="a3s aXjCH m15aa4855e510d66a">Hi
Martin and others,<br>
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Am 2017-03-06 um 17:37 schrieb Martin
Koppenhoefer:<br>
> yes, that wording is unfortunate, because
in most/many OSM mailing lists<br>
> messages never get approved. I am myself
admin of a very small regional ML<br>
> and from time to time there are periods
where a lot of spam arrives, I can<br>
> imagine checking held back messages in the
big lists would be a lot of work<br>
> (and mostly consist in rejecting spam). You
would also have to do it daily,<br>
> because after some time many messages will
seem out of context.<br>
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</span>I have changed the wording of the wiki page
Proposal_Process today to<br>
stress the necessity to subscribe the Tagging
mailing list. Feel free to<br>
modify/revert it if you don't like it.</div>
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<div class="gmail_extra">As you name me in person: I was
not referring to the wording in the wiki but the wording
of the mailing list autoresponder message in case
someone not subscribed sends a message (and from the
reply might get to the impression that it will pass,
which it in fact almost never does for any of the OSM
lists).<br>
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<div class="gmail_extra">Cheers,<br>
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<div class="gmail_extra">Martin<br>
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