<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div><br><br>sent from a phone</div><div><br>On 1. May 2017, at 01:50, Dalibor Jelínek <<a href="mailto:dalibor@dalibor.cz">dalibor@dalibor.cz</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>IMHO you have chosen a bad example to illustrate your statement.</span><br><span>There is nothing wrong with Wikipedia definition of castle.</span><br><span>It fits perfectly for page castle_type=defensive</span></div></blockquote><br><div><br></div><div>if you look at the details it still doesn't fit perfectly, because the osm wiki says now:</div><div><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:castle_type%3Ddefensive">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:castle_type%3Ddefensive</a></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">"A <span class="plainlinks" title="wikipedia:en:castle"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/en:castle" style="background-image: none !important; padding: 0px !important;"><img alt="Wikipedia-16px.png" src="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/images/2/24/Wikipedia-16px.png" width="16" height="16" style="border: none; vertical-align: middle; margin: 0px;"> <bdi>castle</bdi></a></span> is fortified residence of a nobleman in the Middle Ages <b>or comparable medieval defense building.</b>"</span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">while the linked article says it MUST be built by nobility: "...This is distinct ... from a fortress, which was not always a residence for <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobility" title="Nobility" style="text-decoration: none; background-image: none;">nobility</a>" (i.e. it implies a castle was always a residence for nobility)</span></div><div><br></div><div>if you read further, you just get more confused, as there are more contradictions in the <span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">article:</span></div><div>"<span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Usage of the term has varied over time and has been applied to structures as diverse as <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hill_fort" class="mw-redirect" title="Hill fort" style="text-decoration: none; background-image: none;">hill forts</a> and country houses."</span></div><div>how does this help someone who wants to know whether to apply a certain osm tag?</div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">and: "Over the approximately 900 years that castles were built,...." "A European innovation, castles originated in the 9th and 10th centuries, ...". so the middle ages ended in 1800?</span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Again, this won't help anybody to check whether the osm tag applies to the thing he wants to tag or not.</span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">God knows what is written in the linked articles in all the other languages, I had a look at German where the first sentence says explicitly that the term covers <b>protohistoric and antique</b> defensive buildings, and in a more narrow meaning medieval residential and defensive buildings.</span></div><div>The Italian first sentence says it is about an architectural structure of one or more buildings typical for the medieval period and erected to <b>house a garrison and their commander</b>.</div><div><br></div><div>If you don't speak English in OSM you should hope someone has translated the tag definition into your language in the osm wiki, or use an online service to do so, the results will usually be much more consistent than reading the wp article that was linked in your language to the wp article that was linked from the osm wiki.</div><div><br></div><div>You will also have to read much less because wp articles tend to become longer and longer.</div><div><br></div><div>cheers,</div><div>Martin </div></body></html>