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<p>Hi André,</p>
<p>according to this documentation, <br>
the tagging mailing list is the wrong platform to address this :<br>
<font size="-1">"<b>If you have ideas for the wiki, you can
generally just do them, by editing the wiki! </b><br>
If you need any assistance the <b>wikiteam</b> are here to
help."<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wiki#Wikiteam">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wiki#Wikiteam</a></font><br>
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Unless some always ask for a proposal to edit /amend anything in the
wiki.<br>
IMHO this leads to the result you mentioned :<br>
"Unfortunately, I'm very sorry to say, OSM is often much of a
chaos."<br>
There seem to be very few people which first like to request a
request form <br>
to be able to help the community to improve *.<br>
<br>
A "code of conduct"** would be helpful in which cases <br>
you may just add a minor specification, unfortunately I couldn't
find such up to now.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Thilo<br>
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<font size="-1">* For those who don't know the concept of sarcasm :<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm</a><br>
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** Certainly this will also leave some (border) cases which are
disputable,<br>
but at least there would be SOME agreed guideline.<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_of_conduct">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_of_conduct</a></font><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 10.05.2017 um 15:10 schrieb André
Pirard:<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi,<br>
<br>
In this thread, I said, in agreement with others,<br>
that <tt style="background:#EEF;white-space:nowrap" dir="ltr"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:oneway:bicycle"
title="Key:oneway:bicycle" class="mw-redirect">oneway:bicycle</a>=no</tt>
(click to open that page) is the tag to be used <b>to tell
routing software</b><b> (GPS)</b> that <tt
style="background:#EEF;white-space:nowrap" dir="ltr"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:oneway"><strong
class="selflink">oneway</strong>=yes</a></tt><span
style="background:#EEF;white-space:nowrap"> does not apply to
bicycles<br>
that </span><tt style="background:#EEF;white-space:nowrap"
dir="ltr"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:cycleway"
title="Key:cycleway">cycleway</a>=opposite*</tt> has noting
to do with routing and contraflow but indicates that <b>there
is a cycleway</b> that <b>happens</b> to be "opposite".<br>
<br>
Could you please make the wiki documentation more clear about
that?<br>
Because mappers often believe that <tt>cycleway=opposite</tt>
means to indicate bicycle contraflow <tt
style="background:#EEF;white-space:nowrap" dir="ltr"><span
class="mw-redirect">oneway:bicycle</span>=no</tt>.<br>
Unfortunately, sometimes contradictory sentences about the same
concept are often spread all over the wiki.<br>
Find them all!<br>
<br>
I have written <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://overpass-turbo.eu/?Q=%0A%5Bout%3Ajson%5D%5Btimeout%3A60%5D%3B%0A%2F%2F%20gather%20results%0A%28%0A%20%20%2F%2F%20query%20%0A%20way%5B%21%22oneway%3Abicycle%22%5D%5Bcycleway%7E%22opposite%22%5D%28%7B%7Bbbox%7D%7D%29%3B%0A%20%20%0A%29%3B%0A%2F%2F%20print%20results%0Aout%20body%3B%0A%3E%3B%0Aout%20skel%20qt%3B%0A%0A">this
script</a> to find where many <tt>cycleway=opposite*</tt>
exist without <tt style="background:#EEF;white-space:nowrap"
dir="ltr"><span class="mw-redirect">oneway:bicycle</span>=no</tt>
and even without <tt>oneway=yes</tt>.<br>
<br>
<a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/55150670"
moz-do-not-send="true">Look at this street</a> to which GRi
added <tt>cycleway=opposite</tt> without <tt
style="background:#EEF;white-space:nowrap" dir="ltr"><span
class="mw-redirect">oneway:bicycle</span>=no</tt>, to which
JanFi added <tt style="background:#EEF;white-space:nowrap"
dir="ltr"><span class="mw-redirect">oneway:bicycle</span>=no</tt>
probably after reading this thread (thank you!) and from which I
removed <tt>cycleway=opposite</tt> because there is no cycleway
at all.<br>
<br>
The worst of all is that the map <a
class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://mijndev.openstreetmap.nl/%7Eligfietser/fiets/"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://mijndev.openstreetmap.nl/%7Eligfietser/fiets/</a>
shows "<tt>cycleway=opposite or </tt><tt
style="background:#EEF;white-space:nowrap" dir="ltr"><span
class="mw-redirect">oneway:bicycle</span>=no</tt>" ways,
hence neither identifying the cycleways nor the contraflow
correctly and not testing in its bugs tag that <tt>cycleway=opposite</tt>
must contain <tt style="background:#EEF;white-space:nowrap"
dir="ltr"><span class="mw-redirect">oneway:bicycle</span>=no</tt>.<br>
That is pitiful complete misinformation and the author did not
even reply to my message.<br>
<br>
Unfortunately, I'm very sorry to say, OSM is often much of a
chaos.<br>
<br>
Hoping this will help,<br>
Cheers <br>
<br>
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