<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div><div><div>I think what I'm trying to say is: there are many more bus routes (and their variations) than train route relations to be mapped. If we insist that it has to be:<br><br></div>stop_position<br></div>platform<br><br></div>so double tagging, I think I'll abandon and I'll understand that most people will never start mapping public transport as it is effectively too complicated.<br><br></div>I'm working on automating it, during a second GSoC of code project now, but that is something that will always remain a burden. Duplication of tagging and the apparent need for adding information about stops twice to the route relations.<br><br></div>So my question remains: why can't we have NODES with all the details next to the road. These nodes in the route relations and have the stop_position, the platform way, the shelter, the waste_basket, the bench as extra items that go into a stop_area relation, preferably one per direction of travel ?<br><br></div>I just spent another hour and 20 minutes converting 1 line from version 1 to version 2. The 'simple' way. It might have taken me 2 hours or more if everything had needed to be mapped double.<br><br><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_R9cQ73YZp8">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_R9cQ73YZp8</a><br><br></div>Polyglot<br><div><div><br><br></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2017-05-12 23:25 GMT+02:00 Tijmen Stam <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mailinglists@iivq.net" target="_blank">mailinglists@iivq.net</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class="">On 12-05-17 20:12, Colin Smale wrote:<br>
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How about a step back for a second here... What is the stop_position<br>
intended for? Who is it intended to help or inform? A bit of context<br>
would help to rank the possibilities.<br>
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I remain by my earlier standpoint that a stop_position is too much<br>
detail for a route as it is too variable to be useful. Trains on the<br>
same route will be longer or shorter, and will use different tracks and<br>
different platforms from time to time. What stays constant when<br>
considering the route is the station itself, so this would be the right<br>
entity to make part of the route.<br>
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For railway routes, I see the stop_position as the technical point that ties together the track with (railway realm) to the platform (pedestrian realm). Not the actual exact point at which a train should stop.<br>
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For bus routes it has the added bonus of being the (approximate) position of where the bus stops. I say approximate, because in the bus company I work at, the bus stop's position in our systems is averaged from the bus' GPS readings at the point the doors open. On some buses however, the GPS reader is over the driver, while at others, it's at the rear end. Something that can make a difference of 25 metres on our long double-bendy buses, which is quite a lot, as the "geofence" around a bus stop is by default 30 metres, so a small misalignment of 5m combined with a different GPS position on the bus, with added GPS disturbance in built-up areas, might make the bus think it's not at the stop yet, making a difference in price for those who use contactless ticketing.<br>
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