<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2017-07-05 19:13 GMT+02:00 Daniel Koć <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:daniel@ko%C4%87.pl" target="_blank">daniel@koć.pl</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br>
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My initial proposition is to get away with languages and Wikipedia link and define it this way:<br>
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"The place=square is an open space common in urban centers, like cities or towns. Typically this is a named pedestrian area surrounded by buildings, but there are also complex cases with multiple disconnected pedestrian areas, grass, parks, streets junctions with different names (including the streets named after the square or without such name), etc.".<span class="gmail-HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"></font></span></blockquote></div><br><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Thank you very much for bringing this up, Daniel, it was overdue.<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">I don't think the definition should (exclusively) reference "urban centers", because squares are a general property of human settlements and can occur in all kinds of structured settlements, i.e. also in villages, or maybe even in nomad camp sites, although the more famous and impressive squares naturally are found in cities.<br><br>I also wouldn't say "typically it is a named pedestrian area", because this depends on the region and is basically referring to some European situations, where historic town centres have been pedestrianized, but it really shouldn't be reduced to pedestrians, squares which are (now) primarily dedicated to vehicle traffic are not an exception either.<br><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">If there are different names, these should be different objects in OSM. "place" is about toponyms (i.e. I agree it should have a name, or not be tagged like this).<br><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">On the other hand, I would add something saying like "squares are (usually) public open spaces in settlements, and typically delimited by buildings" and "squares are, together with buildings and roads, the central spatial elements in urbanism". "Important squares will often be decorated with monuments like sculptures or fountains". "Important monuments and buildings like theatres, museums, castles, churches, train stations will usually have a square in front of them" etc.etc. Squares also played an important role for commerce (market squares).<br><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Let's not forget: squares have been and likely still are vital to any democracy, as a place open to the general public and suitable for gathering in masses. They have played a fundamental role in almost all uprisings, think Tiananmen Square and many others. In many instances, representative squares are major tourist attractions, like the Red Square in Moscow, Times Square in New York, Place Charles de Gaulle in Paris, St. Peter's Square in Rome, Piazza San Marco in Venice, just to name a few of the most famous.<br><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Cheers,<br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Martin<br></div></div>