<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><br><div>On Jul 14, 2017, at 11:32 PM, Nick Bolten <<a href="mailto:nbolten@gmail.com">nbolten@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>> --> need to add all driveways?<div><br></div><div>This is generally a good idea - and to make sure they share a node.</div><div></div></div></blockquote><br><div>To me, if you are considering adding sidewalks, you’ve already committed to adding the service roads/tracks/etc. </div><div><br></div><div>Adding the hidden crossing (crossing=unmarked) IMHO is the thing to be discussed. </div><div><br></div><div>An example of this issue is where a road with no sidewalks meets another road with sidewalks, but does not cross it (and is not in an urban environ, so there is no real paint to show a crossing=zebra) . Do you add a crossing=unmarked that goes from the sidewalk to the node of the road’s T junction? People on the sidewalk far side of the T junction will expect to be able to cross the street there and continue on the road. </div><div><br></div><div>In my region, even on major national roads sidewalks abruptly stop, let alone on tertiary roads. Usually a road is being brought up to a modern standard section by section, but the surrounding roads are not. A building project forced the adjacent roads to be upgraded, but the beginning and end of those roads are still the older narrow versions, such as this tertiary road here:</div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/36.42388/137.87330">https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/36.42388/137.87330</a></div><div><br></div><div>Because where the sidewalk abruptly ends is dangerous for peds, I put in an unmarked crossing to the other side, and linked the sidewalk to the road where it ends to the east. </div><div><br></div><div>I am committed to mapping all sidewalks as separate ways, because they often have routing completely separate from roads in Japan, and the nature of them appearing and disappearing be mapped with a separate way is the best way to show this - but how peds “rejoin” the road when it does end is what is not documented in OSM.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Javbw </div></body></html>