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<div>example: when you have cork oak, they produce cork and nuts for pigs (pata negra and so on) - but when only a tourist visit the area he cant decide what the farmer is earning: cork, nuts, cork and nuts or nothing (not used).</div>
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<div style="margin:0 0 10px 0;"><b>Gesendet:</b> Freitag, 28. Juli 2017 um 16:31 Uhr<br/>
<b>Von:</b> "Paul Desgranges" <paul.desgranges@gmail.com><br/>
<b>An:</b> "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" <tagging@openstreetmap.org>, daveswarthout@gmail.com<br/>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: [Tagging] Produce tags for orchards</div>
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<div>Orchards contain trees and this is what can be seen on landscape, if you do a survey. </div>
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<div>From trees you can get some fruits, but it is once in a while, the crop is only once per year, and only if you get lucky, some years there is nothing, depending on wheather conditions. </div>
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<div>Therefore the tag 'trees' seems better to me. </div>
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<div>The farm produces something, and the tag 'produce' seems better (to me) for a farm than for an 'orchard'. </div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">Le 28 juil. 2017 1:44 AM, "Dave Swarthout" <<a href="mailto:daveswarthout@gmail.com" onclick="parent.window.location.href='daveswarthout@gmail.com'; return false;" target="_blank">daveswarthout@gmail.com</a>> a écrit :
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<div><span style="font-size: 16.0px;">Agree with Warin, who wrote:</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 16.0px;">Looking at the wider application to farmland leads to things like potatoes, these are not trees.</span><br style="font-size: 16.0px;"/>
<span style="font-size: 16.0px;">The use of the tag tree for things like strawberry plants is not good. They are NOT trees!</span><br style="font-size: 16.0px;"/>
<span style="font-size: 16.0px;">Other plants, such as 'shrubs' too are being tagged as 'trees' too.</span><br style="font-size: 16.0px;"/>
<span style="font-size: 16.0px;">Personally I prefer the key 'produce' as it does mean what leaves the farm (or orchard).</span><br style="font-size: 16.0px;"/>
<span style="font-size: 16.0px;">These is also no problem with produce such as milk - tree=milk or crop=milk make no sense.</span><br style="font-size: 16.0px;"/>
<span style="font-size: 16.0px;">Then there are palm trees that produce dates ...</span><br style="font-size: 16.0px;"/>
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<span style="font-size: 16.0px;">+1 </span>
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<div><span style="font-size: 16.0px;">If you want to keep it simple .. I think 'produce' is best.</span></div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 3:12 PM, Warin <span><<a href="mailto:61sundowner@gmail.com" onclick="parent.window.location.href='61sundowner@gmail.com'; return false;" target="_blank">61sundowner@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0 0 0 0.8ex;border-left: 1.0px rgb(204,204,204) solid;padding-left: 1.0ex;"><span>On 28-Jul-17 07:05 AM, Christoph Hormann wrote:</span>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0 0 0 0.8ex;border-left: 1.0px rgb(204,204,204) solid;padding-left: 1.0ex;"><span>On Thursday 27 July 2017, Tobias Zwick wrote:</span>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0 0 0 0.8ex;border-left: 1.0px rgb(204,204,204) solid;padding-left: 1.0ex;"><span>Together with Roland Krüger, I am in the process of letting users of<br/>
StreetComplete, a surveyor app for OpenStreetMap, specify the produce<br/>
of orchards.[1]<br/>
We did a lot of research on which plants are grown on orchards [2]<br/>
and are now at the point where we need to decide how these should be<br/>
tagged.<br/>
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Unfortunately, there are *three* competing keys to describe basically<br/>
the same things (for orchards). Neither of these is deprecated, all<br/>
are in use: trees, crop and produce.</span></blockquote>
<span> Taginfo is your friend to find out what tags are most commonly used.</span></blockquote>
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The frequency of use can be influenced by;<br/>
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the date of the tags creation - the earlier a tag is created the more use it can have over a 'better' tag created later<br/>
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the pre-sets of editors - these can be the opinion of one person.<br/>
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I would not place too much importance on the amount of use by itself.<br/>
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<span>Safe to say that trees=* is the dominating method to tag what is grown<br/>
in an orchard.</span></blockquote>
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Looking at the wider application to farmland leads to things like potatoes, these are not trees.<br/>
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The use of the tag tree for things like strawberry plants is not good. They are NOT trees!<br/>
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Other plants, such as 'shrubs' too are being tagged as 'trees' too.<br/>
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Personally I prefer the key 'produce' as it does mean what leaves the farm (or orchard).<br/>
These is also no problem with produce such as milk - tree=milk or crop=milk make no sense.<br/>
Then there are palm trees that produce dates ...<br/>
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If you want to keep it simple .. I think 'produce' is best.
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