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<p>Hi Simon,</p>
I also can't see a difference <br>
between boutique and fashion.<br>
<span class="ind">Both might be a shop <br>
with other items than clothes<br>
according to these definitions :<br>
</span>
<p>"<span class="ind">A small shop selling fashionable clothes or
accessories"<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/boutique">https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/boutique</a><br>
"a small store that sells stylish clothing, jewelry, or other
usually luxury goods".<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boutique">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boutique</a></span></p>
<p><span class="ind">"A popular or the latest style of clothing,
hair, decoration, or behaviour."<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/fashion">https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/fashion</a><br>
"Fashion is a popular style or practice, especially in clothing,
footwear, accessories, makeup, body, or furniture."<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fashion">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fashion</a><br>
<br>
Possibly a<br>
shop=</span><span class="ind"><span class="ind">fashion<br>
</span>with<br>
fashion:type=</span><span class="ind">accessories;clothes</span></p>
<p><span class="ind">I think this system may be described properly<br>
without causing confusion.<br>
Please let me know which "lot of reasons" you mean.</span></p>
<p><span class="ind">Cheers,<br>
Thilo<br>
</span></p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 27.08.2017 um 15:04 schrieb Simon
Poole:<br>
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<p>There is a big difference between a limited number of binary
options and essentially moving all values in to key space (and
I can give a lot of reasons why it is a really really bad idea
in a free form, user extendible tagging system). <br>
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<p>But it seems to be rather off-topic in this thread in any case:
I simply wanted to know if there is a clear characterisation of
shop=fashion that can serve as disambiguation between it and
shop=boutique and shop=clothes (with appropriate additional
tags).</p>
<p>We have one voice saying that it should be considered a cheap
variant of boutique limited to clothes, and the others
suggesting that it is an upmarket shop=clothes and that
shop=boutique should have a broader not only clothes definition.</p>
<p> One takeaway is that adding the "clothes" tag both to fashion
and boutique would be a good idea.<br>
</p>
Simon<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 26.08.2017 um 13:53 schrieb Thilo
Haug:<br>
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<p>Hi all,</p>
<p>I'm in favor of a namespace solution, <br>
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moz-do-not-send="true">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Namespace</a><br>
e.g.</p>
<p>ski:clothes=yes<br>
surfing:clothes=yes<br>
motorcycle:clothes=yes<br>
any_other_sport:clothes=yes<br>
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<p>and so on.</p>
<p>This way you may also tag other shops (not just shop=clothes)<br>
in a way which exactly describes their offers,<br>
in this example possibly a shop=sports.</p>
<p>The same works also for other services they offer,<br>
like <br>
ski:repair=yes<br>
ski:rental=yes<br>
ski:parts=yes</p>
<p>This way there's no need to create a new shop type <br>
or decide whether it's MORE one type of shop (bicycle vs.
motorcycle vs. car or similar)<br>
in case they offer very various things.</p>
<p>Cheers,<br>
Thilo<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 26.08.2017 um 13:13 schrieb
Martin Koppenhoefer:<br>
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sent from a phone</div>
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On 26. Aug 2017, at 11:15, Simon Poole <<a
href="mailto:simon@poole.ch" moz-do-not-send="true">simon@poole.ch</a>>
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<div><span>the question turned up if shop=fashion (with 5000
something uses) </span><br>
<span>should not be deprecated (==not offered for new use)
due to overlap with</span><br>
<span>shop=boutique (~11'000 uses) and shop=clothes,
clothes=fashion (not</span><br>
<span>particularly popular with roughly 200 uses). It just
doesn't seem to</span><br>
<span>have a good definition, which is already pointed out
on the wiki page</span><br>
<span>(but without a conclusion).</span></div>
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<div>I'd see shop=fashion similar with shop=boutique, while
shop=clothes is not particularly helpful if you're looking
to buy clothes (too generic). I'd roughly see it like this:
boutique expensive, fashion cheap(er), department store
both, supermarket cheap ;-)</div>
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<div>What would I search for if I wanted to buy a suit or a
shirt (department shops apart which will sell you anything)?
Maybe a "boutique for men"? To buy gloves I'd try with a
shop=bags? Or shop=leather? Or shop=sports? Or an outdoor
shop? There are many places to buy clothes, cheap, casual,
formal, according to the material, for work, gender, age,
style, one brand/designer or multiple, or no (known)
designer, discounter, different types of clothing
(underwear, shirts, etc.</div>
<div>I'm rather against reduction of top level shop types,
there's IMHO a clear distinction between fashion shops and
boutiques, with maybe some edge cases, but still useful
overall. Nonetheless I agree that shop=clothes does require
subtags to be more useful, but the current situation in the
clothes key is not working:</div>
<div><a
href="https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/clothes#values"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/clothes#values</a></div>
<div>There are many orthogonal, specific properties tagged,
e.g. target group (women, men, children, babies), for
specific occasions/uses (sports/wedding/workwear), materials
(denim/fur), type (underwear/lingerie). Fashion would be yet
another new category in this cauldron (with 111 uses it
isn't really significant).</div>
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<div>cheers,</div>
<div>Martin </div>
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