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I am not in favour of possible confusing meanings of names of tages and values in other languages than English influence these. Otherwise there is no end to this. Better add properly translated pages to the wiki.<br>
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Best,<br>
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Pander<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On August 30, 2017 9:37:50 AM GMT+02:00, Simon Poole <simon@poole.ch> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<p>I'm afraid we would start running out of usable words real fast
if we could only use those with non-confusing meanings in their
original and other languages (maybe Kindergarten, oh perhaps
rather not :-)).<br />
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Seriously the term boutique is so firmly anchored in the English
language that doing away with the term in OSM is likely not going to
work. As to Daniels suggestion of adding more subtags, it doesn't
seem to be sensible to replace the existing clothes tag with
clothes:type (minus a couple of values) just so that things are a
bit more systematic. Adding the others, and using them on boutique,
fashion and clothes (plus the other garment related top level
objects) why not.<br />
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Naturally in the end this doesn't actually answer my question as to
what the defining aspects of shop=fashion are :-).<br />
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Simon<br />
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IMHO, I would drop shop=boutique because it is one of
the most confusing tag, especially in French-speaking
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Basically in French from France, boutique is a generic
word meaning shop. More than what it sells, it
designates the place, generally not very large
("magasin" would then more used). A French butcher tells
to his/her family after the breakfast: "Have a good day
everyonem, I will open the boutique now". We have an
expression for "boutique de" (literally shop of)
something, that can be used for clothes from which I
guess derivates the shop=boutique concept. Is it only in
the Anglo-sphere that the word boutique means this or
also in other cultural contexts? Eg in Brazil as far as
I know people do not use boutique, while they are quite
fond of French words (like maison meaning house) for
shops that want to be considered as "chique". <br />
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In French-speaking African countries, this generic word is
massively used for the most generic shop by far: a small
convenience store, selling food and non food items all
over the walls, up to the ceiling, where you ask at a desk
what you want. This makes it a kind of kiosk, even if many
are not separate shops but taking one part of the basement
of a building. And they are not chic at all. And they are
very, very numerous: in a large city you find one every 50
or 100 meters. For sure there are more African boutiques
in the world than the boutiques of hand-made fashion
clothes. Of course, new African contributors in these
countries logically use shop=boutique for their own
cultural reality so some streets in Africa are full of
false-cognates.<br />
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So IMHO I would tag these fashionable shop the most generic
way as possible, not reflecting only one specific cultural
context and avoiding using boutique. I think a subtag to
differentiate ready-to-wear and hand-made would fit. What do
you think?</div>
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Severin<br />
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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2017 14:42:38 +1000<br />
From: Graeme Fitzpatrick <<a href="mailto:graemefitz1@gmail.com" moz-do-not-send="true">graemefitz1@gmail.com</a>><br />
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Hi<br />
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Just consulted with an authority in these
matters - my wife! :-)<br />
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Her take:<br />
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shop=clothes is chain stores (ie same shop
in multiple shopping centres /<br />
towns) aimed at lower-middle end of the
market<br />
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shop=fashion is middle - higher end, but
still chain stores<br />
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shop=boutique is "one-off" shops eg selling
hand-made rather than<br />
mass-produced clothes; niche / speciality
items etc<br />
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Hope that helps?<br />
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Thanks<br />
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Graeme<br />
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