<div dir="ltr">@Kevin - let's move you off the fork and onto a revised proposal. Your explanation covers all the bases, and quite well I must say. I can't imagine what else might pop up during continued debate but it's obvious to me that the tag is necessary, justified, and its use well reasoned. <div><br></div><div>Thanks again for your efforts to move this proposal forward.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 2:00 AM, Kevin Kenny <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kevin.b.kenny+osm@gmail.com" target="_blank">kevin.b.kenny+osm@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><span class="">On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 2:34 PM, marc marc <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:marc_marc_irc@hotmail.com" target="_blank">marc_marc_irc@hotmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">you do so much slalom to avoid the categories access=private and fee=yes<br>
that I persist in believing that it would be easy to add tags to these 2<br>
functions that already work to explain the conditions in which access is<br>
possible. this would allow to tag in the same way a road leading to a<br>
lake belonging to a sports club as the road leading to a nature reserve<br>
that would need a "permit".<br></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>fee=yes is a total non-issue. In fact, no place that I've tagged access=permit<br></div><div>requires a fee. For the specific case of urban parking, which is one case<br></div><div>that I do use navigation systems for, I already offered to distinguish<br></div><div>access=permit (which must be obtained in advance) from fee=yes (pay<br></div><div>on the spot).<br><br></div><div>You seem to have a view that the permits are receipts for<br></div><div>fees paid, and that purpose of the tag is solely to inform <br></div><div>routing and navigation engines. Neither is true. In fact, the<br></div><div>areas that I've tagged with 'permit' have been to clarify the question:<br></div><div>"May I hike here?" And I don't refer to trails: off-trail hiking is widely<br></div><div>practiced here and is often condoned by the authorities.<br></div><div><br></div><div>And what you see as 'slalom', I see as 'trying to come up with an accurate<br></div><div>definition, excluding a number of straw men that have been erected against<br></div><div>the proposal.' That appears to require discussing every other form of<br></div><div>access tag and distinguishing them from what is proposed, since several<br></div><div>users have insisted that there is no difference between 'permit' and<br></div><div>various other tags or simply attacked the proposal for vagueness.<br></div><div>I don't see any way to be adequately definite without exploring<br></div><div>all the boundaries.<br><br></div><div>You leave me on Morton's Fork: either the proposal is too vague to<br></div><div>support, or it's too complex to support.<br></div><div><br></div></div></div></div>
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