<html><head></head><body>Whatever this tag is good or bad, it's not a good idea to delete the page from the wiki. <br>
If I find it in the data, this page will inform me on its meaning. <br>
Now if it's bad, you can trust the contributors not to use it. <br>
Also, you can take time to explain your argument against in the discussion page, it's a wiki ;-) <br>
Yves <br>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">Le 4 octobre 2017 11:45:50 GMT+02:00, Tom Pfeifer <t.pfeifer@computer.org> a écrit :<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<pre class="k9mail">On 03.10.2017 11:34, Thilo Haug wrote:<br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;"> Please describe which 'problems' you fear to appear if it's not deleted.<br /></blockquote><br />As you ask so directly - the core problem is your attitude towards the community.<br /><br />On 10 January 2017‎ you propose "motorcycle_friendly", but don't discuss it in the community.<br />On 11 January 2017‎ you declare on your wiki user page ""Hello, I'm new to OSM,"<br />This is correct, your main mapping activities started in 2016: <a href="http://hdyc.neis-one.org">http://hdyc.neis-one.org</a>/  --> ti-lo<br /><br />On 16 January 2017 you open the voting on "motorcycle_friendly".<br />On 17 January 2017‎ you create the feature page for "motorcycle_friendly" without even waiting for <br />results.<br /><br /> From 17-20 January you _stage_ votes! I haven't seen such thing before!<br /><br />All 'yes'-voters below not only have their _only ever_ wiki contribution in this "voting", they were <br />_created_ for this vote. None of them has an OSM account (well, one, with 0 changesets).<br /><br />Here is the evidence:<br /><br />11:00, 17 January 2017 User account Quietus (talk | contribs) was created<br />{{vote|yes}} --[[User:Quietus|Quietus]] ([[User talk:Quietus|talk]]) 11:01, 17 January 2017 (UTC)<br />11:02, 17 January 2017 User account Gvinci (talk | contribs) was created<br />{{vote|yes}} --[[User:Gvinci|Gvinci]] ([[User talk:Gvinci|talk]]) 11:08, 17 January 2017 (UTC)<br />11:08, 17 January 2017 User account Maxticli (talk | contribs) was created<br />{{vote|yes}} --[[User:Maxticli|Maxticli]] ([[User talk:Maxticli|talk]]) 11:13, 17 January 2017 (UTC)<br />13:00, 17 January 2017 User account Landex (talk | contribs) was created<br />{{vote|yes}} --[[User:Landex|Landex]] ([[User talk:Landex|talk]]) 13:02, 17 January 2017 (UTC)<br />13:44, 17 January 2017 User account Mk-1-ADV (talk | contribs) was created<br />{{vote|yes}} --[[User:Mk-1-ADV|Mk-1-ADV]] ([[User talk:Mk-1-ADV|talk]]) 14:01, 17 January 2017 (UTC)<br />07:12, 17 January 2017 User account Harald2000 (talk | contribs) was created<br />{{vote|yes}} --[[User:Harald2000|Harald2000]] ([[User talk:Harald2000|talk]]) 14:08, 17 January 2017 <br />(UTC)<br />20:21, 17 January 2017 User account Ktm-pilot (talk | contribs) was created<br />{{vote|yes}} --[[User:Ktm-pilot|Ktm-pilot]] ([[User talk:Ktm-pilot|talk]]) 22:37, 17 January 2017 (UTC)<br />01:17, 18 January 2017 User account TG (talk | contribs) was created<br />{{vote|yes}} --[[User:TG|TG]] ([[User talk:TG|talk]]) 01:28, 18 January 2017 (UTC)<br />14:32, 18 January 2017 User account JayHay (talk | contribs) was created<br />{{vote|yes}} --[[User:JayHay|JayHay]] ([[User talk:JayHay|talk]]) 14:36, 18 January 2017 (UTC)<br />17:18, 18 January 2017 User account Wonkyconk (talk | contribs) was created<br />{{vote|yes}} --[[User:Wonkyconk|Wonkyconk]] ([[User talk:Wonkyconk|talk]]) 17:21, 18 January 2017 (UTC)<br />20:43, 19 January 2017 User account Slamper (talk | contribs) was created<br />{{vote|yes}} --[[User:Slamper|Slamper]] ([[User talk:Slamper|talk]]) 22:34, 19 January 2017 (UTC)<br />20:12, 20 January 2017 User account JP-ADV990R (talk | contribs) was created<br />{{vote|yes}} --[[User:JP-ADV990R|JP-ADV990R]] ([[User talk:JP-ADV990R|talk]]) 20:21, 20 January 2017 <br />(UTC)<br /><br />As you refer to your wikipedia activities (<a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User_talk:Rtfm">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User_talk:Rtfm</a>), you <br />certainly knew already about _Sock Puppets_, don't you?<br /><br />Even if these were real people, like your biker gang, they are not members of the OSM community, <br />thus not eligible for voting.<br /><br /> From _existing_ users, the votes were 3:1 against.<br /><br />In March, your voting process was declared invalid by the community:<br /><a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2017-March/031403.html">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2017-March/031403.html</a><br />You are given excuses that are technically implausible ("Voting announcement ... lost in a spam <br />folder") - there is no such folder, and there was no such mail in the list archive.<br /><br />In the following discussion, you delete or strike opinions of users against your proposal:<br /><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Proposed_features/motorcycle_friendly&diff=next&oldid=1442529">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Proposed_features/motorcycle_friendly&diff=next&oldid=1442529</a><br />(deleting James...)<br /><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Proposed_features/motorcycle_friendly&diff=next&oldid=1437794">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Proposed_features/motorcycle_friendly&diff=next&oldid=1437794</a><br />(striking Rich...)<br /><br />You have been _blocked twice for mechanical edits_, trying to push recent wiki fiddling immediately <br />into the database:<br /><a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/1293">https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/1293</a> (4 April)<br /><a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/1383">https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/1383</a> (22 June)<br /><br />This was in context with your undiscussed change of '_' to ':' in boat rental types<br /><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:amenity%3Dboat_rental&action=history">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:amenity%3Dboat_rental&action=history</a><br />and your world-spanning change of those tags, see the the long list here<br /><a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/49874036">https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/49874036</a><br />Your edits were being discussed by the community here:<br /><a href="https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=58812">https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=58812</a><br /><br />You are changing established tags into those proposed by yourself, worldwide.<br />You start edit-wars even: after a revert by the community, you re-insert them:<br /><a href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1457760519/history">http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1457760519/history</a><br /><a href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/4150644186/history">http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/4150644186/history</a><br /><br />You are copying from other databases, violating their terms and conditions, to populate your <br />motorcycle:*=* tagging scheme<br /><a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/52600487">https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/52600487</a><br /><a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/52602764">https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/52602764</a><br /><a href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/52600143">https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/52600143</a><br /><br />Currently you have created a proposal about shop subtags, fine.<br />However you spam about 25 shop=value feature pages with an entry advertising this proposal, example:<br /><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag%3Ashop%3Dhardware&type=revision&diff=1504194&oldid=1480193">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag%3Ashop%3Dhardware&type=revision&diff=1504194&oldid=1480193</a> <br /><br />That creates unnecessary noise.<br /><br />OSM is not your personal database, you are not alone.<br /><br /><hr /><br />Tagging mailing list<br />Tagging@openstreetmap.org<br /><a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging</a><br /></pre></blockquote></div></body></html>