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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 04-Oct-17 12:00 PM, Bill Ricker
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<div dir="ltr">Question on memorials v monuments thanks.
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<div>How about a memorial arboretum (<a
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arboretum"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://en.wikipedia.org/<wbr>wiki/Arboretum</a>),
a commemorative planted grove of trees that you can
walk through & sit under?</div>
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<div>Does that count as a monument, or is it a memorial?
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I read wiki.osm, both historic=memorial and
historic=monument are presumed man-made structures, with
the latter reserved for that which is truly "'monumental'
in size". Neither would apply to an Arboretum (even
though it's an unnatural landscape on monumental scale,
it's not a structure). (FWIW, xref there includes
man_made=obelisk and memorial=stele )<br>
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<div style="font-family:georgia,serif" class="gmail_default">It
sounds like the wiki expects us to find the plaque or
stele etc inside the memorial arboretum and tag it as the
historic=memorial, memorial=plaque, etc. and only tag an
area thus if the monumental structure has outline worth
outlining as closed area way.<br>
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<div style="font-family:georgia,serif" class="gmail_default">This
memorial park <a
href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/29743732"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/29743732</a>
is not an arboretum, AFAIK, although some of the trees may
have been planted trees, it's not about the trees. Unless
I find a plaque or other marker, the wiki is not
encouraging use of either memorial or monument, although
memorial:conflict=WW1 could apply.<br>
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href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:historic%3Dmemorial"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:historic%3Dmemorial</a></div>
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<div style="font-family:georgia,serif" class="gmail_default">More
info on my Memorial Park area <a
href="http://fd.ema.arrl.org/SiteDetail.php?site=MemPk"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://fd.ema.arrl.org/SiteDetail.php?site=MemPk</a>
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Memorial avenues exist - roads with tress planted alongside to
remember the dead usually from wars. <br>
See <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.historicplaces.ca/en/rep-reg/place-lieu.aspx?id=13557">http://www.historicplaces.ca/en/rep-reg/place-lieu.aspx?id=13557</a><br>
No OSM taggging other than a road in OSM <br>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/280394066">http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/280394066</a><br>
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Each tree usually commemorates one person, the tree signifies the
victory of life over death. <br>
While there may a be a plaque - it is the tree that forms the
memorial for that person. <br>
The collection of trees form a memorial to the war dead as a
collective. <br>
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I have not tagged them... <br>
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Some more info?
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/about/environment/protecting-heritage/remembrance-driveway/history/index.html">http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/about/environment/protecting-heritage/remembrance-driveway/history/index.html</a><br>
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<p>I think a memorial rather than a monument. But I am not pedantic
about it. <br>
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