<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">> Hi,<br>><br>> In Spain it is common to find litter bins that have attached a dog<br>> excrement bags dispenser. In Talk-es discussed how to map these bins [<br>> <a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-es/2016-July/014171.html">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-es/2016-July/014171.html</a>]<br>> and we did not reach a conclusion.<br>><br>> There are 2 opinions:<br>> - 1 node with tags<br>> amenity = waste_basket<br>> vending = excrement_bags<br>> fee = no<br>><br>> - 2 nodes<br>> 1º<br>> amenity = vending_machine<br>> vending = excrement_bags<br>> payment: none = yes<br>><br>> 2º node (a few centimeters from the previous one):<br>><br>> amenity = waste_basket<br>><br>> What would be the most correct option?<br>> -------------- next part --------------<br>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>> URL: <<a href="http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/attachments/20171010/83e314e3/attachment-0001.html">http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/attachments/20171010/83e314e3/attachment-0001.html</a>><br>><br>> ------------------------------<br>><br>> Message: 2<br>> Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2017 09:56:54 -0400<br>> From: Bryan Housel <<a href="mailto:bryan@7thposition.com">bryan@7thposition.com</a>><br>> To: osm-tagging <<a href="mailto:tagging@openstreetmap.org">tagging@openstreetmap.org</a>><br>> Subject: Re: [Tagging] How to map a bin with dog excrement bags<br>> dispenser<br>> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:C01A73CE-DA08-4AF3-8AA4-CE9BFD98A03F@7thposition.com">C01A73CE-DA08-4AF3-8AA4-CE9BFD98A03F@7thposition.com</a>><br>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br>><br>> 2 nodes, please!<br>> It makes things much easier for iD, or any other data consumer that needs to match features to tag presets.<br>> related thread on iD: <a href="https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/4191#issuecomment-318943309">https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/4191#issuecomment-318943309</a> <<a href="https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/4191#issuecomment-318943309">https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/4191#issuecomment-318943309</a>><br>><br>> Thanks! Bryan<br>><br>><br>> > On Oct 10, 2017, at 9:42 AM, Alejandro Moreno <<a href="mailto:almorca@gmail.com">almorca@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>> ><br>> > Hi,<br>> ><br>> > In Spain it is common to find litter bins that have attached a dog excrement bags dispenser. In Talk-es discussed how to map these bins [<a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-es/2016-July/014171.html">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-es/2016-July/014171.html</a> <<a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-es/2016-July/014171.html">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-es/2016-July/014171.html</a>>] and we did not reach a conclusion.<br>> ><br>> > There are 2 opinions:<br>> > - 1 node with tags<br>> > amenity = waste_basket<br>> > vending = excrement_bags<br>> > fee = no<br>> ><br>> > - 2 nodes<br>> > 1º<br>> > amenity = vending_machine<br>> > vending = excrement_bags<br>> > payment: none = yes<br>> ><br>> > 2º node (a few centimeters from the previous one):<br>> ><br>> > amenity = waste_basket<br>> ><br>> > What would be the most correct option?<br>> ><br>> > _______________________________________________<br>> > Tagging mailing list<br>> > <a href="mailto:Tagging@openstreetmap.org">Tagging@openstreetmap.org</a><br>> > <a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging</a><br>><br>> -------------- next part --------------<br>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>> URL: <<a href="http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/attachments/20171010/b963d1ea/attachment-0001.html">http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/attachments/20171010/b963d1ea/attachment-0001.html</a>><br>><br>> ------------------------------<br>><br>> Message: 3<br>> Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2017 16:18:19 +0200<br>> From: Martin Koppenhoefer <<a href="mailto:dieterdreist@gmail.com">dieterdreist@gmail.com</a>><br>> To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools"<br>> <<a href="mailto:tagging@openstreetmap.org">tagging@openstreetmap.org</a>><br>> Subject: Re: [Tagging] Fwd: How to map a bin with dog excrement bags<br>> dispenser<br>> Message-ID:<br>> <<a href="mailto:CABPTjTCLGuw0ZX-SD_ocx7sTfLtWcMmdgMHsAQxkYF%2B7KuDpcg@mail.gmail.com">CABPTjTCLGuw0ZX-SD_ocx7sTfLtWcMmdgMHsAQxkYF+7KuDpcg@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br>><br>> 2017-10-10 15:42 GMT+02:00 Alejandro Moreno <<a href="mailto:almorca@gmail.com">almorca@gmail.com</a>>:<br>><br>> > Hi,<br>> ><br>> > In Spain it is common to find litter bins that have attached a dog<br>> > excrement bags dispenser. In Talk-es discussed how to map these bins [<br>> > <a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-es/2016-July/014171.html">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-es/2016-July/014171.html</a>]<br>> > and we did not reach a conclusion.<br>> ><br>> > There are 2 opinions:<br>> > - 1 node with tags<br>> > amenity = waste_basket<br>> > vending = excrement_bags<br>> > fee = no<br>> ><br>> > - 2 nodes<br>> > 1º<br>> > amenity = vending_machine<br>> > vending = excrement_bags<br>> > payment: none = yes<br>> ><br>> > 2º node (a few centimeters from the previous one):<br>> ><br>> > amenity = waste_basket<br>> ><br>> > What would be the most correct option?<br>> ><br>><br>><br>><br>> As you ask for a "most" correct option, and as you write it is a dispenser,<br>> "vending" doesn't seem the right term for this (nor does "machine").<br>> Although it is documented, payment:none doesn't make sense any way in<br>> combination with "vending".<br>><br>> This aside, I'd use 2 nodes (objects) and not combine several things into<br>> one object, even if it is all attached to one pole.<br>> You might consider using the node relation:<br>> <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relations/Proposed/Node">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relations/Proposed/Node</a> but to be<br>> honest, I don't think it is evaluated by someone at this time.<br>><br>> Cheers,<br>> Martin<br>> -------------- next part --------------<br>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>> URL: <<a href="http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/attachments/20171010/4313ab07/attachment-0001.html">http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/attachments/20171010/4313ab07/attachment-0001.html</a>><br>><br>> ------------------------------<br>><br>> Message: 4<br>> Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2017 14:40:41 +0000<br>> From: marc marc <<a href="mailto:marc_marc_irc@hotmail.com">marc_marc_irc@hotmail.com</a>><br>> To: "<a href="mailto:tagging@openstreetmap.org">tagging@openstreetmap.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:tagging@openstreetmap.org">tagging@openstreetmap.org</a>><br>> Subject: Re: [Tagging] Fwd: How to map a bin with dog excrement bags<br>> dispenser<br>> Message-ID:<br>> <<a href="mailto:VI1P190MB03849F2D7982D3B28598A4C6B7750@VI1P190MB0384.EURP190.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM">VI1P190MB03849F2D7982D3B28598A4C6B7750@VI1P190MB0384.EURP190.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM</a>><br>><br>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br>><br>> Hello,<br>><br>> Le 10. 10. 17 à 15:42, Alejandro Moreno a écrit :<br>> > In Spain it is common to find litter bins that have attached a dog<br>> > excrement bags dispenser.<br>> it look like you have 3 questions in one :)<br>><br>> one easy :<br>> fee=no <> payment:none=yes<br>> payment:*=* is useful when you need to add several<br>> payment but when it is free, you 'll never have<br>> another payment:* tag.<br>> so imho free=yes is better<br>><br>> the main question :<br>> it is a waste_basket or vending_machine ?<br>> the main function is related to bags.<br>> the bin is useful only after you get a bag.<br>> if you don't have a bag, you can not use the dedicated bin.<br>> therefore the few that I have taged have :<br>> amenity = vending_machine<br>> vending = excrement_bags<br>> bin=yes<br><br> <br>><br>> one node <> 2 nodes :<br>> for me, one node is enough/better because the bin is related<br>> to the vending_machine like a coffee machine with a bin<br>> where you put coffee cup after use.<br>> But if you still use 2 nodes, it is no need to move one away.<br>> it like tagging for rendering and except for a very high zoom,<br>> the rendering will in any case display only one.<br>> This brings us back to the previous question: if rendering display only<br>> one, which one ? if I see a vending machine on the map, I can expect to<br>> have a trash nearby. by displaying a trash, I have no idea if a vending<br>> machine exist nearby.<br>><br>> Regards,<br>> Marc<br>><br>> ------------------------------<br>><br>> Message: 5<br>> Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2017 17:03:39 +0200<br>> From: Martin Koppenhoefer <<a href="mailto:dieterdreist@gmail.com">dieterdreist@gmail.com</a>><br>> To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools"<br>> <<a href="mailto:tagging@openstreetmap.org">tagging@openstreetmap.org</a>><br>> Subject: Re: [Tagging] Fwd: How to map a bin with dog excrement bags<br>> dispenser<br>> Message-ID:<br>> <CABPTjTDCewALkBs_CbgdSr=<a href="mailto:Dp3x3g7HPxvejToNeVQUtEmhCcg@mail.gmail.com">Dp3x3g7HPxvejToNeVQUtEmhCcg@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br>><br>> 2017-10-10 16:40 GMT+02:00 marc marc <<a href="mailto:marc_marc_irc@hotmail.com">marc_marc_irc@hotmail.com</a>>:<br>><br>> > the main question :<br>> > it is a waste_basket or vending_machine ?<br>> > the main function is related to bags.<br>> > the bin is useful only after you get a bag.<br>> > if you don't have a bag, you can not use the dedicated bin.<br>> > therefore the few that I have taged have :<br>> > amenity = vending_machine<br>> > vending = excrement_bags<br>> > bin=yes<br>><br>><br>><br>> in case it is a dedicated bin you are right. Around here, these are all<br>> usual bins and you can throw "anything" into them, not just poo. Nowadays<br>> (and where I can tell), people walking their dog usually have a bag with<br>> them, so even if the bin would be dedicated to dog poo, they still could<br>> use it. On the other hand, AFAIK you can throw your dog's poo also in any<br>> other non-dedicated bin.<br>> If we look how many people are possibly looking for dog poo bag dispensers<br>> (all dog owners), these are significantly fewer than those potentially<br>> looking for a bin (everybody). But if you imagine how many people will use<br>> a map (cellphone, app, etc.) to look for a bin, and how many for a poo bag<br>> dispenser, it seems more likely that the latter case happens (unless you<br>> are in a low waste bin density area). Some mappers will prefer focussing on<br>> mapping generic infrastructure, other will prefer mapping things<br>> specifically for animal owners, and both have good arguments on their side.<br>><br>> I don't think the "main function" discourse will bring us any further, we<br>> have had this in the past (and it brought us "path" ;-) ), and we've moved<br>> away from it for a reason. The "main function" depends on you and on your<br>> life.<br>><br>> No need to add to tag fragmentation by creating new properties for<br>> indirectly mapping things, better use dedicated objects for things and map<br>> them explicitly, this removes ambiguity and makes it easier to amend them<br>> with more detail later.<br>><br>> Cheers,<br>> Martin</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div></div><div>The main function is as bin and you can throw "anything" into them. You can see examples in [
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