<div dir="ltr"><div><div>Hi José,<br><br></div>I see you mention Google imagery. Please don't jeopardize the project by using that. We have permission to use Bing, Mapbox, DigitalGlobe, Esri. They are all accessible in a convenient way in JOSM.</div><div>For horizontal streetview imagery we have Mapillary and OpenStreetCam.</div><div><br></div>Jo<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2017-10-18 0:28 GMT+02:00 José G Moya Y. <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:josemoya@gmail.com" target="_blank">josemoya@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Hi!<div dir="auto">I'm just a novice, but after two months following this list I understand that:</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">a) Tags are grouped by function. Some street forniture is just for people to enjoy them, some needs to be located by GPS navigators (traffic lights, barriers such as bollards) or emergency services (fire hydrants).</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">b) Some services need to use short tags due GPX file format restriction. That was the motivation that raised up the proposal on new fire_hidrant tags. If firemen were upset for having to put complicate "emergency=fire_hidrant, fire_hydrant:flow_rate=blah blah" tags, imagine the situation if they need to look for "street_forniture=emergency, emergency=fire_hydrant..."</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">c) Street forniture is difficult to map accurately. You need precise GPS hardware/software (my casual mapping has a 5 meter error margin), you need precise aerial imaginery (google is now very precise for cities at roof level, but shadows hide details at ground level), and you have a lot of objects to map and a very short time until the maintenance contract expires and the street forniture moves or disappears. That's the reason I map picnic tables in the wilderness but I don't do it in parks: tables are too close when inside cities.<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div>I understand that tagging street forniture would be useful for local authorities, since they (at least in Spain) do not take it in account before giving permits to new street forniture or street bars, and the final result is a sidewalk full of obstacles for pedestrians. But moving all street forniture into a category of its own seems to raise more difficulties than having it split into separate categories.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Regards.<div><div class="h5"><br><div class="gmail_extra" dir="auto"><br><div class="gmail_quote">El 17/10/2017 23:44, "François Lacombe" <<a href="mailto:fl.infosreseaux@gmail.com" target="_blank">fl.infosreseaux@gmail.com</a>> escribió:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="m_-8808640589612559068quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div>Hi,<br><br></div>Let's not forget street cabinets :)<br><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dstreet_cabinet" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org<wbr>/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dstreet_<wbr>cabinet</a><br><br></div>As Warin said, all those things (including cabinets) may not always be along streets.<br></div><div>"street" term may be understood as "outdoor".<br><br></div><div>Would you create a key to move all the list from ma_made/maenity/... to one like "street_furniture" ?<br><br></div><div>All the best<font color="#888888"><br></font></div></div><font color="#888888"><br></font><div class="gmail_extra"><font color="#888888"><br clear="all"><div><div class="m_-8808640589612559068m_-3395727348905500012gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><b>François</b><a href="http://www.twitter.com/InfosReseaux" target="_blank"></a></div></div></div></font><div class="m_-8808640589612559068elided-text">
<br><div class="gmail_quote">2017-10-17 23:08 GMT+02:00 Warin <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:61sundowner@gmail.com" target="_blank">61sundowner@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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necessarily, along side streets - e.g. a bench in a park. <br><div><div class="m_-8808640589612559068m_-3395727348905500012h5">
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to make things simplier ; if there would be a key =
street_furniture , all those 'things' mentioned (benches /
fire hydrants / plant_containers / street_poles /
streetlamps / bollards / traffic_signs / traffic_lights / etc.
etc.) could then arranged in 1 key . And if 'necessary', one
could add more 'details' (for i.e. emergency / amenity / support
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<p><b>Street furniture</b> is a collective term (used in
the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom" title="United Kingdom" target="_blank">United Kingdom</a><sup id="m_-8808640589612559068m_-3395727348905500012m_-7730110115632669501m_-3924409672359481159gmail-cite_ref-1" class="m_-8808640589612559068m_-3395727348905500012m_-7730110115632669501m_-3924409672359481159gmail-reference"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Street_furniture#cite_note-1" target="_blank">[1]</a></sup>,
Australia<sup id="m_-8808640589612559068m_-3395727348905500012m_-7730110115632669501m_-3924409672359481159gmail-cite_ref-2" class="m_-8808640589612559068m_-3395727348905500012m_-7730110115632669501m_-3924409672359481159gmail-reference"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Street_furniture#cite_note-2" target="_blank">[2]</a></sup>
and <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada" title="Canada" target="_blank">Canada</a><sup id="m_-8808640589612559068m_-3395727348905500012m_-7730110115632669501m_-3924409672359481159gmail-cite_ref-3" class="m_-8808640589612559068m_-3395727348905500012m_-7730110115632669501m_-3924409672359481159gmail-reference"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Street_furniture#cite_note-3" target="_blank">[3]</a></sup><sup id="m_-8808640589612559068m_-3395727348905500012m_-7730110115632669501m_-3924409672359481159gmail-cite_ref-4" class="m_-8808640589612559068m_-3395727348905500012m_-7730110115632669501m_-3924409672359481159gmail-reference"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Street_furniture#cite_note-4" target="_blank">[4]</a></sup>)
for objects and pieces of equipment installed along
streets and roads for various purposes. It includes <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bench_%28furniture%29" title="Bench
(furniture)" target="_blank">benches</a>,
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_barrier" title="Traffic barrier" target="_blank">traffic barriers</a>, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bollard" title="Bollard" target="_blank">bollards</a>,
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_box" title="Post box" target="_blank">post boxes</a>, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phone_box" class="m_-8808640589612559068m_-3395727348905500012m_-7730110115632669501m_-3924409672359481159gmail-mw-redirect" title="Phone box" target="_blank">phone boxes</a>, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streetlamp" class="m_-8808640589612559068m_-3395727348905500012m_-7730110115632669501m_-3924409672359481159gmail-mw-redirect" title="Streetlamp" target="_blank">streetlamps</a>, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_light" title="Traffic light" target="_blank">traffic lights</a>, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_sign" title="Traffic sign" target="_blank">traffic signs</a>, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_stop" title="Bus stop" target="_blank">bus stops</a>, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tram_stop" title="Tram stop" target="_blank">tram stops</a>, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxi_stand" class="m_-8808640589612559068m_-3395727348905500012m_-7730110115632669501m_-3924409672359481159gmail-mw-redirect" title="Taxi stand" target="_blank">taxi stands</a>, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toilet#Public_toilets" title="Toilet" target="_blank">public
lavatories</a>, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fountain" title="Fountain" target="_blank">fountains</a>, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watering_trough" title="Watering trough" target="_blank">watering troughs</a>, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memorial" title="Memorial" target="_blank">memorials</a>, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_art" title="Public art" target="_blank">public sculptures</a>, and <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waste_receptacles" class="m_-8808640589612559068m_-3395727348905500012m_-7730110115632669501m_-3924409672359481159gmail-mw-redirect" title="Waste receptacles" target="_blank">waste receptacles</a>. The
design and placement of furniture takes into account
aesthetics, visual identity, function, pedestrian
mobility and road safety.</p>
<p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Street_furniture" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/<wbr>Street_furniture</a></p>
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