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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2017-11-14 19:34, David Marchal
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Hi, Yuri.
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<div class="">Though I understand your request and find it
relevant, I’m unsure about altering a proposal page after the
vote had started; AFAIK, I’m supposed to let it as is, apart
from the vote section. Could you show me if my assumption is
wrong, or can someone on the ML confirm or infirm that?</div>
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<div class="">Awaiting your answers,</div>
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Here is one.<br>
I'm rather surprised by this remark.<br>
I agree that a proposal which is what other persons "signed" must
not be changed.<br>
But there are so many undiscussed changes to the wiki<b><u>s</u></b>
(even unnotified ones, do you remember that noexit=yes <strike>story</strike>
battle? I'm keeping the most stupid of it yet to be told) that I
would praise, not blame, Yuri for his general way of doing.<br>
I would suggest to leave the proposal alone, except for mentioning
the following, to create a final wiki page and to ask the consent of
this list for minor modifications, especially correcting typos.<br>
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And here is one correction, with wider justification...<br>
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If I had voted (I didn't have the occasion, sorry), I would have put
as a yes voting condition to change<br>
"Give a way to distinguish the different types of sinkholes" with
"... of <a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:natural%3Dsinkhole"
title="Tag:natural=sinkhole" data-serp-pos="1">natural=<span
class="searchmatch">sinkhole</span></a><a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:natural%3Dsinkhole"
title="Tag:natural=sinkhole" data-serp-pos="1"><span
class="searchmatch"></span></a> (read that article)".<br>
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The reason is<br>
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<li>that <strike>foreigners</strike> non-English speakers
(everyone is a foreigner to most of the world) are liable to
ignore what is a sinkhole is, and that it would be a shame to
spoil its unusually great description in <a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:natural%3Dsinkhole"
title="Tag:natural=sinkhole" data-serp-pos="1">natural=<span
class="searchmatch">sinkhole</span></a> to tell them<br>
</li>
<li>that one could believe that <a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/sinkhole">sinkhole=*</a>
can go without <a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:natural%3Dsinkhole"
title="Tag:natural=sinkhole" data-serp-pos="1">natural=<span
class="searchmatch">sinkhole</span></a>.<br>
OK, it's explained below but...<br>
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<li>that I suppose that many a one quickly read as far as they
think they have understood and that any means to make them feel
that there is more to it is welcome<br>
</li>
<li>that too many wiki articles use insufficient definitions (e.g.
source=survey has improved but would need a link to the
explanation inside) and <br>
</li>
<li>the net result of that is many mapping mistakes (such as the
totally useless bicycle=yes)</li>
<li>the most regrettable result is GPS mistakes because routing
logic obeys exactly what it's told<br>
</li>
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Cheers
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<div class="">Le 12 nov. 2017 à 21:17, Yuri Astrakhan <<a
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<div dir="ltr" class="">David, hi, just an thought - could
you combine the rationale and examples sections? The
way you have it now is first you describe each concept,
and afterwards you have the same concept but with a
picture. I think it would be better to list each
variant with the picture right away.
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<div dir="ltr" class="">On Sun, Nov 12, 2017 at 8:30 AM
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<div class="">Almost 3 weeks passed and only 3
people told that they preferred karst=yes instead
of karstic=yes. As the first one was also the one
stated as the proposal, and the second one was
only mentioned in erroneous examples, I assume
this relative unanimity is enough to confirm
karst=yes as the one to use, and will create the
wiki page accordingly. Thanks to all who voted;
the proposal process is now fully finished, apart
from creating all the Wiki pages.</div>
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<div class="">Le 24 oct. 2017 à 19:16, David
Marchal <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<div class="">The vote period passed, and
the proposal received a total of 16
approvals, 1 spoilt vote and 0 refusals,
so I closed the vote and marked the
proposal as approved. Thanks to all the
voters; I’ll create the according Wiki
pages and edit existing ones to reflect
the vote on the following days.</div>
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<div class="">As a side note, there is a
secondary vote on the proposal page;
indeed, some voters noticed an
inconsistency in the proposal, ie. a
proposal example carried karstic=yes
tagging instead of the proposed
karst=yes. To make sure of what version
the voters approved, I have to ask them
to go back on the proposal page and
vote, in the dedicated subsection,
amongst karstic=yes or karst=yes. Once
the choice will have been asserted, I’ll
be able to create the corresponding Wiki
page.</div>
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<div class="">Thanking you for your
patience, and awaiting your votes,</div>
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<div class="">Le 8 oct. 2017 à
09:51, David Marchal <<a
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a écrit :</div>
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<div class="">The normal voting
duration passed, but there are
not enough votes yet to
approve or reject the
proposal, so I extend the
voting period by two weeks to
allow latecomers to vote.</div>
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<div class="">Awaiting your
votes,</div>
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2017 à 20:26, David
Marchal <<a
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a écrit :</div>
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<div class="">As this
proposal has been
RFCed more than 2
weeks ago, and that
comments have been
addressed, I’m now
putting it on vote.
Please go on the
proposal page (<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Sinkholes_refinement"
target="_blank"
class=""><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Sinkholes_refinement">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Sinkholes_refinement</a></a>)
to vote.</div>
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<div class="">Awaiting
your votes,</div>
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<div class="">Regards.</div>
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